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re: Togo Island/Swamp Donkey Sting
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:54 am to geauxbrown
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:54 am to geauxbrown
quote:Meh, the term is maligned unnecessarily.
Yes, yes I would laugh at you about shooting “management bucks” in a free range environment.
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Posted on 12/26/25 at 10:29 am to AlxTgr
quote:
Meh, the term is maligned unnecessarily.
I agree. You don't shoot management bucks to increase antler size. You shoot them to reduce deer population.
Last weekend my nephew killed a 225# buck that was 15 inches wide and a 6pt with heavy horns. Probably at least 5yo or maybe 6 or 7yo.
We shot him because we shoot our bucks when they get to that age regardless of antler size. If they antlers are big, then it's a trophy. If the antkers are small, then it's a management buck
Posted on 12/26/25 at 10:35 am to No Colors
quote:
We shot him because we shoot our bucks when they get to that age regardless of antler size. If they antlers are big, then it's a trophy. If the antkers are small, then it's a management buck
Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:10 am to No Colors
I've been trying to get someone to shoot this one all year, his horns have been that way for two years now.
Management, Cull, whatever you want to call it I'm tired of feeding him
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Management, Cull, whatever you want to call it I'm tired of feeding him
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Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:29 am to AlxTgr
quote:
…the term is maligned….
Agreed, however it’s almost impossible to positively effect genetics in free ranging deer herds.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:38 am to geauxbrown
quote:I know this is the popular thing to say, but the fact remains that this buck will no longer breed. He will no longer eat. We must shoot bucks.
positively effect
Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:40 am to AlxTgr
quote:
We must shoot bucks.
Absolutely
Point out where I said otherwise.
I’m simply stating that if your goal is quality management of your deer herd, eliminating deer based on perceived genetic inferiority ain’t the way to go.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:46 am to geauxbrown
quote:I did not say you said otherwise.
Point out where I said otherwise.
quote:It absolutely is be when combined with age. It's the predicting the future part where people go wrong.
if your goal is quality management of your deer herd, eliminating deer based on perceived genetic inferiority ain’t the way to go.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 12:00 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
It’s the predicting the future part where people go wrong.
Agreed
So in the early 2000’s we had a buck on our place in Illinois that was easily identifiable. It had a half tail. We figure a coyote may have gotten it when it was young and it eventually escaped. Anyway, it was easy to confirm which buck he was from the time he was young.
When he was four, he was a narrow, thin eight and some in our group used the “management buck” criteria to put him on the shooters list.
When he was five, he was again a narrow eight, but had gained some decent mass. Still, he was only about 14 inches wide and so when he walked by a friend on a late October hunt, he shot him. Right square in the arse.
Non fatal, the deer disappeared for the remainder of the season.
As a six year old, he was again a narrow eight point but now he had some really nice mass. I field judged him at 140 to 150 inches. Again, he was placed on the shooters list but no one got close to him.
And then came the year he turned seven. The growth was astonishing. He blew up into a 10, probably 18 inches wide but with mass you dream about. He was killed that season on the adjacent property and scored 173”.
That one encounter with a free ranging deer, combined with research from guys like Charlie Alshiemer taught me that we can never fully know what a deer is going to grow into given enough time.
And for that reason I simply refuse the “management buck” theory on free range deer.
Younger bucks need to be killed as you mentioned in order to gather baseline data and determine if your management plan is actually working. However, those deer shouldn’t be shot under the guise of helping to genetically alter the local wild herd.
This post was edited on 12/26/25 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 12/26/25 at 12:01 pm to The Torch
quote:
I’m tired of feeding him
Do you have more than one season of photos of him?
Posted on 12/26/25 at 12:52 pm to geauxbrown
quote:
Do you have more than one season of photos of him?
Yes, his rack was smaller last year but the left side only had that spike horn.
We assume he was injured or something, I've heard if they have a limb injury it can cause this but who knows.
Everyone has stopped hunting so he will make it another year if he survives natural death.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 1:23 pm to geauxbrown
quote:agree with pretty much all of this because I’ve harvested 2 separate deer who blew up at 7 becoming non typical deer. However i look at as a numbers game. On my properties 4-5 year old 8 points are still going to get harvested so more food can be available to the 2-3 year old 10 points or better. It’s not a correct way to do it but its been successful and we both seen outliners of bucks blowing up at older ages but its been rare but possible.
That one encounter with a free ranging deer, combined with research from guys like Charlie Alshiemer taught me that we can never fully know what a deer is going to grow into given enough time.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 3:22 pm to Jim Hopper
My guess is the state is happy to offer more buck tags in their battle against CWD. Especially if the club will shoot older bucks, which have a higher rate of CWD.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 8:34 am to 257WBY
Mississippi wanted the river clubs to shoot 50% of their deer.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 9:37 am to No Colors
quote:Sounds like a trophy. Pics?
Last weekend my nephew killed a 225# buck that was 15 inches wide and a 6pt with heavy horns. Probably at least 5yo or maybe 6 or 7yo.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 12:06 pm to geauxbrown
quote:
Younger bucks need to be killed as you mentioned in order to gather baseline data and determine if your management plan is actually working
Yeah, I’m doing my part here.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 2:13 pm to Turnblad85
Why would it be hard to believe? I can guarantee they have flown drones over the property as well as everyone else in the CWD areas. But to step foot on our property and search they still have to have probable cause. If they saw something on a drone, that would give them probable cause. But we have nothing to see. So why is it hard to believe? I love that a place you don’t actually hunt occupies so much of your time and head space
Posted on 12/27/25 at 3:14 pm to jeranamo17
quote:
…probable cause
I was sitting at the camp one day during hunting season. It was the first year of the CWD bait ban in Louisiana. The phone rings and my landowner asks if I’ve seen any GW’s around. Just about the time I was about to say no, someone knocked on the door.
When I opened it there were to Wardens standing there asking if they could speak to the owner. When I told he wasn’t around but that I was the land manager they took out a phone with OnX and asked about a particular spot on the property.
Is this part of this property?
Yes it is.
Okay, we have reason to suspect that baiting is taking place. One of them took a small zip lock bag out of his pocket and asked me to identify its contents. I looked at the bag and then looked at each of them expecting to see them smiling. I honestly thought they were playing a joke on me.
I asked, are you guys serious?
Yes sir. Can you identify this? We found a pile of it on this property.
Guys, that’s fertilizer and wheat seed that obviously fell out of the spreader when we parked it. It then rained and washed the residue out of the seeder onto the ground.
Well, we’re going to have it tested anyway. Thanks for your time.
This is what they can legally call “probable cause.”
Posted on 12/27/25 at 5:42 pm to jeranamo17
quote:
jeranamo17
It's nice of the members to let their help kill a few deer. I know you work hard for it.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 5:40 pm to Turnblad85
The latest rumor on this is that they are investigating the presence of farm raised deer transported onto the property for clients to harvest. They apparently have a money and paperwork trail back to a deer farn.
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