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re: Well Well Well...Crossbows aren't helping after all
Posted on 12/7/18 at 5:42 pm to smoked hog
Posted on 12/7/18 at 5:42 pm to smoked hog
A simple yes would have sufficed.
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 5:44 pm to Buster180
But what fun would that be
Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:32 pm to arbe25
Funny to me how compund bow hunter feel morally superior to crossbow hunters. If you are so pure in your hunting, put down the compound bow and pull out a recurve, dump the scentlock, ozonics and scent bombs.
This post was edited on 12/7/18 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:41 pm to Bullredbf
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If you are so oure in your hunting, put down the compound bow and pull out a recurve, dump the scentlock, ozonics and scent bombs.
And corn, rice bran etc.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:48 pm to DieselTiger1
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Would be a great user name.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 12:04 pm to SmackoverHawg
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And corn, rice bran etc.
I'll throw my dos centavos in here on the whole deal.
Both places I hunt in GA and SC allow baiting. I never have and never will do it. In my experience it causes less deer movement, fewer sightings of big bucks roaming/searching and is just not what I consider "hunting", IMHO. To those that feel the need to, more power to you, but not my cup of tea.
Good for getting pics of bucks you'll probably never see during daylight hours though.
Regarding crossbows, I have said it before on here. For youths getting started...yes. For older hunters , physically handicapped or other-wise...yes. For all others, during gun season only/limited week or two at end of regular bow season. You'll never catch me in the woods with one in my hands until I can not physically pull a compound/recurve back....until then I will continue hunting bow-only, during bow and gun seasons with my two REPLACED shoulders. Yes, on cold mornings it hurts like hell to draw, but I'm in my mid 50's and I guess they made them a little bit tougher back then
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) With regards to Primitive Weapons, it needs to be brought back in line. A recurve has an effective range, in the hands of a normal archer of 30-35 yds. A compound, in the hands of a normal archer, 40-45 yds. That's less than a 25% increase in effective, accurate range for the majority of both categories. Yes, back when I shot ASA, IBO and NFAA 3D tourneys I was confident enough to take a 50-60 yd shot under the right conditions, but I never did. And that was with multiple state championships in all those under my belt. Regarding muzzleloaders, the old muzzle -loaders have an accurate /effective range of probably @50 yds. The modern versions shooting sabots are effective to about 200 yds...that's a 300% increase in the range of the "primitive weapon" and puts it squarely into normal rifle range...even more than a 30-30 would shoot. Not very primitive IMHO.
The differences here are basically that a devout bow-only archer has to be inside of 50 yds (closer to 40) to even have a good chance of taking that animal. Same with a muzzle-loader (true muzzleloader). Crossbows that shoot 100 yds and modern muzzleloaders that can shoot the length of a big foodplot are in no way, shape or form primitive hunting. Period.
That's my take, and may not be popular with some, but it's what I believe. Being an archer-only whitetail hunter I have more horror stories than I care to think about regarding Pope and Youngs that were missed or just sauntered by at 50-60 yds. Others that Mr Murphy, in one form or another, allowed to escape the chance/opportunity only to pull up 50-60 yds away wondering what that shape in the tree was that had the pained look on it's face. 140" plus bucks that lived because they were just out of my effective range. I shudder to think how many "archers" with a crossbow would have taken a pot shot at those bucks with virtually zero chance of a good hit just because their "Super-Warp Speed Inferno" crossbow could get a bolt somewhere near the femoral artery of those deer.
No sir... youths...yes. No problem...get them started with a crossbow and they will probably eventually move to compounds/recurves. Older/physically impaired hunters...absolutely. Father time is a bitch and at some-point most of us are going to be in that boat.
100 yd crossbow shots across a food plot by a gun hunter who can't/won't learn the intricacies of bow-hunting and how it is a totally different game than gun-hunting.....boo on them.
As I said...my dos centavos
Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:39 pm to arbe25
My shoulders have gotten so bad from lifting in the gym I’m thinking of getting one. Not happy about it, but I’m not going to give up my time in the woods.
I’m going to look at a few bows y’all have recommended that are easier/smoother drawing before I go to crossbows here in the off-season.
I’m going to look at a few bows y’all have recommended that are easier/smoother drawing before I go to crossbows here in the off-season.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:08 pm to AUTimbo
As probably the boards biggest crossbow advocate I can't upvote that last paragraph enough.
Crossbows are a great tool but I think shots should be limited to 40. There is a big difference in what distance I can hit a bag and the distance I can ethically hit a deer.
Crossbows are a great tool but I think shots should be limited to 40. There is a big difference in what distance I can hit a bag and the distance I can ethically hit a deer.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:11 pm to arbe25
It amazes me how people get so concerned about how other people choose to ethically take a deer. I am extremely accurate with my crossbow. Way less chance of wounding and maybe not recovering a deer. Do you rifle hunt? If so why? You could use a spear
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:28 pm to arbe25
With the number of hunters continuing to decline, I don't care what they allow folks to use. Just try and do something to get more people into the woods. Otherwise, we will lose our political voice.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:38 pm to Columbia
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I just can’t stand them. Are they badass? Yes, but I just feel they take away from what archery is about.
Here’s a novel idea, don’t like them... then don’t use one. It’s pretty simple.
I can’t understand how people get so damn worked up over what someone else hunts with.
It’s like someone with a crossbow swooped in and stole your wife.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 4:12 pm to geauxbrown
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With the number of hunters continuing to decline, I don't care what they allow folks to use. Just try and do something to get more people into the woods. Otherwise, we will lose our political voice.
I couldn’t agree more. I don’t care what people kill deer with. I want more license sales. The point of the article for those that actually read it is that the introduction of crossbows are having a negative impact on hunting.
One of the major impediments to hunter recruitment is opportunity and access. The fact of the matter is that a crossbow is much more lethal and easier to master. More hunters using crossbows means the regulatory agencies will have to shorten seasons and bag limits. And the hunters I speak of are not new hunters. They were license buyers already.
At the same time the hardcore archery guys who got into the sport because of the advantages of the early season and less competition are just saying f it.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 10:51 pm to arbe25
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At the same time the hardcore archery guys who got into the sport because of the advantages of the early season and less competition are just saying f it.
While I agree with your statement, I can't help but think that the old recurve shooters thought the same thing about the compound when it was introduced.
Posted on 12/9/18 at 2:32 pm to arbe25
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More hunters using crossbows means the regulatory agencies will have to shorten seasons and bag limits
weren't we just having a discussion quite the opposite in the CWD thread...
that deer density and population numbers are at an all time high, leading to the spread of CWD and that herd numbers need to be brought down to control the spread?
Posted on 12/9/18 at 9:45 pm to Pepperidge
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weren't we just having a discussion quite the opposite in the CWD thread... that deer density and population numbers are at an all time high, leading to the spread of CWD and that herd numbers need to be brought down to control the spread?
This. Sounds the the archers are pissed that it's not quite so easy to kill deer when they are vastly overpopulated.
Yet they use camera, climbing stands etc to gain an advantage. Who draws the line? I grew up with a Fred Bear from Sears hunting public land. These compounds now are for pussies anyway with the let off and high speeds achieved with much lower draw weights. shite, you had to have the strength of Ulysses to get handle the older ones. So, nobody has anything to bitch about. Enjoy your hunts. Make ethical, legal kills and eat what you kill. Only thing that really pissed me off are the abundance of hunters and fisherman that feel compelled to kill/catch more than they or others will eat. If you fall in that category, you're a fricking slob and I don't give a shite if you kill your deer naked in hand to hand combat. You better clean and eat that MF'er. 
With the exception of hogs. Can leave them lay. Hate to and took me years to do it, but they breed too damn fast and are destroying our habitat. If you're not seeing deer, I'd blame hogs before crossbows.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:30 am to Columbia
My dad bought one this year. He’s 63 years old and can’t draw a bow. I have zero issue with him hunting with a crossbow.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:09 am to lsushelly
quote:Illegal.
You could use a spear
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:10 am to REB BEER
quote:How can you not understand it?
Here’s a novel idea, don’t like them... then don’t use one. It’s pretty simple. I can’t understand how people get so damn worked up over what someone else hunts with.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:53 am to feverish
By this logic lets ban rifle hunting. You know why we are not getting new hunters? It costs SO MUCH MONEY to get into this sport.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:16 am to arbe25
I'll never understand the hate that crossbows get
I mostly hunt in a bow only area with very little few trees, so I'm hunt on the ground mostly
and I get in situations a lot like what happened this weekend, where I'm on the ground and deer walk right up on me (within 10 ft) and I'm unable to draw back
Situations like that, I would love to have a crossbow, in fact, I'm considering getting a crossbow now
I mostly hunt in a bow only area with very little few trees, so I'm hunt on the ground mostly
and I get in situations a lot like what happened this weekend, where I'm on the ground and deer walk right up on me (within 10 ft) and I'm unable to draw back
Situations like that, I would love to have a crossbow, in fact, I'm considering getting a crossbow now
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 8:17 am
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