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Posted on 1/14/26 at 7:56 pm to 4cubbies
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I’m discussing the topic.
You have consistently avoided responding to any of my posts.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 7:56 pm to NC_Tigah
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But even the densest indoctrination can be disassembled through humanization of the target. There are mountains of evidence for that.
Not on an anonymous internet message board.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 7:57 pm to 4cubbies
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As if women didn't work extensively during the Industrial Revolution. Maybe Bill Burr should read a history book
Or maybe he is just a comedian. You do realize they make a living being funny and offensive all at the same time. You should relax and laugh a bit.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 8:03 pm to NC_Tigah
I'm divorced. I'm torn on this. Marriage was a nightmare for me. I understand society needs to procreate (and you need a man/woman to do that) but I have so much peace now that I'm not in a relationship with a woman. Women just want to be the man now. They want to run the show, rule the roost, they know best! A submissive woman doesn't exist anymore. Especially for men under 50. I try to be idealistic about marriage, but it's hard. My ex wife is now dating women. Her divorced group of friends are all discussing dating women now because "men are pieces of sh*t". This is what she's telling my teenage daughter.
My ex is a classic southern, SEC-sorority female. But. Bat-sh*t crazy.
My ex is a classic southern, SEC-sorority female. But. Bat-sh*t crazy.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 8:06 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Maybe the first time you and I have disagreed
Not on an anonymous internet message board.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 8:06 pm to PrattvilleTiger
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ex is a classic southern, SEC-sorority female
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My ex wife is now dating women.
Her daddy must be proud.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 8:07 pm to DesScorp
I'm sure he doesn't know. Even if he did know, I doubt he'd care much. They butted heads all the time.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 8:09 pm to PrattvilleTiger
quote:Well, that's one hell of an interesting dichotomy relative to Cubbies' predicate
A submissive woman doesn't exist anymore.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 8:15 pm to PrattvilleTiger
There are still Christian women who try to abide by the word of God, including with traditional roles of men and women that God created us to pursue.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 8:18 pm to FooManChoo
Perhaps. If you say so. My ex was raised in church and proclaimed to be a Christian. All she wanted in our marriage was be right and have the last word.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 8:36 pm to PrattvilleTiger
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I'm divorced. I'm torn on this. Marriage was a nightmare for me
Find a good woman. My 1st wife was batshit crazy. I have a very, very good one now.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 9:02 pm to PrattvilleTiger
quote:I married one and know many others in a small community.
Perhaps. If you say so. My ex was raised in church and proclaimed to be a Christian. All she wanted in our marriage was be right and have the last word.
Sounds like your ex has a lot of repenting to do.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 9:16 pm to FooManChoo
She never does anything wrong. It's always someone else.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 12:57 am to 4cubbies
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Fair. It seems that the media the average PT poster consumes is far more pro-feminist than what I have been exposed to, perhaps.
still being obtuse. we've already pointed out the WNBA and selective service in this thread. Again, you know what we are talking about. You can't be THAT dense.
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A lot of what people reflexively label “feminism” looks to me more like downstream effects of broader cultural and economic shifts: dual-income households becoming a necessity, credential inflation, rising costs of living, delayed adulthood, a labor market that reshapes family life whether people want it to or not, etc. Those forces would have changed gender roles even if the word “feminism” had never existed.
I'd admit it's more complicated than "just feminism," but i don't think the breakdown of family was inevitable without feminism.
And it's pretty clear in a lot of places that Feminist propaganda is a powerful force in shaping cultural views on family.
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Dismissing the real experiences of women (along with the data that demonstrates measurable imbalances in the distribution of domestic labor in heterosexual marriages) as "just emotions" is not reflective of the actual data.
I never said they were just emotions. But women are wired differently biologically.
Or do you really think there is no actual difference between men and women, and it's all a cultural construct in a male dominated existance?
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Marriage is another sacrifice women make for the greater societal benefit. Feminism didn't "teach" me that. Experience and observation did.
I'd argue, both should sacrifice. But we'd probably argue over what that sacrifice should be.
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Historically and presently, marriage has operated as a social institution that smooths over men’s instability, channels male risk-taking into acceptable forms, and produces order. Women supply much of the unpaid labor that makes that possible. Emotional regulation, domestic management, caregiving, social planning, and the invisible work of keeping a household and family coherent still fall primarily on women, even in supposedly egalitarian marriages.
You get over descriptive with what women do, while not describing what men do - creating a rhetorical imbalance to prove your point. But it's just obfuscation. Do you want domestic labor to be paid? why does it have to be qualified as "unpaid" labor?
Men, who work, have to deal with stress, emotional regulation at work and in work circles, leadership and management of people that are not families, planning, physical and hard labor, commutes, danger, physical risk.
you're going to say even working women have to deal with that - guess what - that's the whole problem. Put your list and my list together, then put both of those people in family, and of course there are complexities. the whole point of traditional marriage is that it's BETTER for those people to split those kinds of duties.
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Men are more likely to benefit from marriage through improved health outcomes
Men still live shorter lives on average.
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increased earnings
who cares if they are in a traditional marriage?
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social legitimacy
Fixable problem, but again, what do you mean by social legitimacy? if you are speaking to value of a stay at home wife - that's feminist propaganda's fault and not men.
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Women are more likely to experience increased workload and responsibility with less structural support.
increased workload from what?
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You see it in who scales back at work when a child is sick, who remembers birthdays and appointments, who manages relationships with extended family
Some of these are simple conversations that good marriages need to navigate. Some are personal preferences.
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who absorbs emotional fallout so the household keeps functioning.
Probably need some counseling. But at large I doubt this is so normal that it means marriage is a failed experiment.
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Feminism didn't “teach” women to be skeptical of marriage. Women became skeptical because they paid attention.
Yet all data points to traditional, Christian marriages producing better outcomes across the board.
They have more stable marriages, better happiness outcomes, etc.
So explain the fact that the more you get away from that (stats that go from inter-faith marriages, all the way through homosexual arrangements being worse) the more marriage suffers?
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They noticed that marriage, as currently structured
So how would you restructure marriage?
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often asks them to give more than they receive
That's because they are told they should receive little, ie that having a job is more important than having kids. this is a cultural idea, driven mainly by feminists.
You Keep Saying feminist don't talk about about marriage, yet, one Google search (and all I typed was "feminism and marriage" I did not look specifically for articles denegrating marriage:
A Feminist Critique of Marriage
Marriage is Inherently misogynistic...
Married Couples Are Given Rights, And that's Not Fair (my words)
the Feminist case Against Marriage
Marriage is an inherently Unfeminist Institution
Heterosexual marriage is undeniably patriarchal (also I see where you get your "unpaid labor" critique - feminism. It's all over this one)
Same Sex Marriage is a Radical Feminist Iea
Why I don't want to get married - guess one of her answers: Feminism
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:25 am to Freauxzen
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still being obtuse. we've already pointed out the WNBA and selective service in this thread.
You are implying that the existence of the WNBA proves most women consume WNBA content. I’ve never watched a WNBA game nor have I had the desire to study it in any way. I imagine that’s true for most of the world. What kind of strong hold do you suppose the WNBA has on American culture?
quote:we live in a capitalist society. Labor is valued through wages. Labor that does not produce wages is not valued. Domestic labor is gendered and provided for free within families.
Do you want domestic labor to be paid? why does it have to be qualified as "unpaid" labor?
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who cares if they are in a traditional marriage?
Who cares if they can maximize their earning potential if they are married with kids? I care more about increasing my earning potential now that I have kids than before. I imagine most working parents care about maximizing their incomes.
quote:managing a household and raising kids. The unpaid domestic labor they are expected to provide.
increased workload from what?
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I doubt this is so normal that it means marriage is a failed experiment.
No one is claiming this here. I’m arguing that men benefit far more than women benefit from marriage.
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So how would you restructure marriage?
Society would need to be restructured to be less materialistic and consumption-driven.
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That's because they are told they should receive little, ie that having a job is more important than having kids. this is a cultural idea, driven mainly by feminists.
How do you suggest women pay their bills without an income? How should I have paid my rent before I was married? Or should I have expected my parents to support me financially while I sat at home and hoped to get married? And what if my parents refused to financially support their adult daughter?
Women work so they can have places to live and food to eat. Same as men. Men aren’t condemned for prioritizing work over having kids because they get jobs.
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You Keep Saying feminist don't talk about about marriage, yet, one Google search (and all I typed was "feminism and marriage" I did not look specifically for articles denegrating marriage:
I can google literally anything as get thousands of results. The existence of ideas doesn’t mean those ideas shape culture and social norms.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:43 am to FooManChoo
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There are still Christian women who try to abide by the word of God, including with traditional roles of men and women that God created us to pursue.
The implication here is that women who are frustrated by the imbalances in many marriages aren’t “good women,” or don’t respect God.
My husband is very happy and at least tells me how lucky he is to be married to me. I guess it’s possible that he constantly lies to me but what would the point of that be? If either of us was miserable, our life would look very different and probably wouldn’t include kids ranging in age from 1 to almost 9 years old. My frustration points don’t make me a bad wife or mother. These frustration points are societal and cultural, not individual, which is why I’m discussing them here.
Again, I have a good husband. Even when women have good husbands, these marital imbalances I’ve discussed often persist to the detriment of women.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 2:51 am to djsdawg
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You have consistently avoided responding to any of my posts.
Yeah. I’m not going to dissect how my husband hurt my feelings here. You can stop asking me to now.
It’s comical that you are acting like a husband disappointing his wife or upsetting her is so unbelievable that it warrants an in-depth explanation or analysis. People hurt each other (intentionally and unintentionally) constantly. I’m not suggesting anything outlandish.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 3:00 am to PrattvilleTiger
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My ex wife is now dating women. Her divorced group of friends are all discussing dating women now because "men are pieces of sh*t".
Clearly women are the problem here
Women don’t want to date or marry men? Obviously they need to lower their expectations of men and marriage. That seems to be the consensus here.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 3:01 am to 4cubbies
Your avoidance started well before this thread.
I don’t know any husband who “opts out” of major milestones for their wife. That comment of yours makes it seem like your husband has soured your option on marriage.
I don’t know any husband who “opts out” of major milestones for their wife. That comment of yours makes it seem like your husband has soured your option on marriage.
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