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re: 77% chance the SC rules tariffs are illegal, possible ruling this Friday
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:23 pm to TigahTeeth
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:23 pm to TigahTeeth
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We’re still trying to figure out if tariffs are legal or not? Yeesh
Tariffs are legal. The means used by Trump were probably not legal. He got bad advice and invoked the wrong way to impose the tariffs without Congress.
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Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:28 pm to IvoryBillMatt
quote:Originally most of the Federal govt funding came from tariffs. Were those tariffs voted on by congress or was that levied by the executive branch (President, Dept of Treasury, etc.)?
Tariffs are legal. The means used by Trump were probably not legal. He got bad advice and invoked the wrong way to impose the tariffs without Congress.
This post was edited on 1/6/26 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:29 pm to LSUBALLER
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Douchebag! Why don’t you take you and your and family and move to another country. Seriously ! I never even once read something that a person in their right mind would agree with that you agree with. Seek help man. Jesus loves you. God bless America
...in response to this?
quote:
Why did Republicans sue to stop the Biden vax mandate? Or the Biden student loan forgiveness?
The underlying argument is the same for all 3 matters: whether or not the President had the statutory authority to engage in this manner.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:30 pm to PurpleandGeauld
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Originally most of the Federal govt funding came from tariffs. Were those tariffs voted on by congress or was that levied by the executive branch
You can't have a tariff without an underlying congressional act.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:31 pm to PurpleandGeauld
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Originally most of the Federal govt funding came from tariffs. Were those tariffs voted on by congress or was that levied by the executive branch (President, Dept of Treasury, etc.)?
Lazy answer:) ChatGPT....
They were voted on by Congress.
In the early United States, tariffs—the federal government’s main source of revenue—were legislated by Congress, not imposed unilaterally by the executive branch.
Here’s how it worked, constitutionally and in practice.
Constitutional authority
Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution
“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises…”
Tariffs are “Duties” and “Imposts.”
This power is explicitly vested in Congress, not the president.
The Framers were very deliberate about this. Taxation—including tariffs—was placed with the legislative branch because it was the most directly accountable to the people.
Early practice (1789 onward)
Tariff Act of 1789
The very first major law passed by Congress
Established tariff rates on imported goods
Signed by George Washington, but written, debated, and passed by Congress
This set the pattern for decades:
Congress set the tariff rates
Treasury and customs officers collected them
The president executed the law, but did not create it
Role of the executive branch
The executive branch:
Did not set tariff policy
Did not choose rates
Did not impose tariffs on its own
Instead, it:
Administered customs houses (under Treasury)
Enforced the tariff schedules Congress enacted
Collected the revenue at ports of entry
The president’s role was limited to:
Signing or vetoing tariff bills
Ensuring enforcement once enacted
When did the executive gain tariff discretion?
Significant executive discretion came much later, mainly in the 20th century:
Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act (1934) – Congress delegated limited authority to the president to adjust tariffs via trade agreements
Later trade statutes expanded conditional presidential authority
But this was:
Delegated by Congress
Revocable
Bound by statutory limits
It was not how the early system worked.
Bottom line
? Original federal tariffs were voted on by Congress
? They were not levied independently by the president or Treasury
??? This was a core legislative power from the Founding
?? Executive tariff authority is a modern delegation, not the original design
If you want, I can also explain why tariffs were favored over internal taxes early on, or how tariff politics fed into disputes like nullification, the Civil War, and the income tax amendment.
This post was edited on 1/6/26 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:31 pm to LSUBALLER
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Douchebag! Why don’t you take you and your and family and move to another country. Seriously ! I never even once read something that a person in their right mind would agree with that you agree with. Seek help man. Jesus loves you. God bless America
Pure ad hom. Pure refusal to address an extremely simple point he made.Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:34 pm to Big Scrub TX
My comment wasn't even snarky, funny, or provocative.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:40 pm to LSUBALLER
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Douchebag! Why don’t you take you and your and family and move to another country. Seriously ! I never even once read something that a person in their right mind would agree with that you agree with. Seek help man. Jesus loves you. God bless America
What, specifically, did he say in this thread that got your panties all twisted, ma'am?
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Why did Republicans sue to stop the Biden vax mandate? Or the Biden student loan forgiveness?
The underlying argument is the same for all 3 matters: whether or not the President had the statutory authority to engage in this manner.
kinda why I like the Trump presidency, let's get all these cases figured out by the SC and get real, lasting precedent on things nobody ever thinks about trying legally
This post was edited on 1/6/26 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:42 pm to Pfft
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So all tarriffs that other countries impose are illegal as well?
Well of course not! And not even the tariffs in place by the US are illegal. Only the ones levied by President Trump.
Duh!
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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My comment wasn't even snarky, funny, or provocative.
Meh. She saw your name and immediately went rabid.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:48 pm to Pfft
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So all tarriffs that other countries impose are illegal as well?
....just what I was thinking.
It's sad that America seems intent on being its own worst enemy.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:50 pm to IvoryBillMatt
I was being sarcastic, but you sir, are wrong. You’re actually just guessing in your post. Why would you just assume what he did is illegal? When will you people learn? Lol
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:51 pm to hawgfaninc
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater if they leave it to congress.
That means other countries could totally screw us over while our congress does nothing (as their usual action).
That means other countries could totally screw us over while our congress does nothing (as their usual action).
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:55 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Meh. She saw your name and immediately went rabid
The thing that's infuriating is there are so many dumb questions and comments and if they just read what I posted it would eliminate that. However, they chose to do what you posted instead, which isn't infuriating and is more sad and funny.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 4:59 pm to hawgfaninc
There is 0% chance that tariffs are illegal!!!!!!!!
Posted on 1/6/26 at 5:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:You view the Executive pretext in each case as equivalently founded?
Why did Republicans sue to stop the Biden vax mandate? Or the Biden student loan forgiveness?
Posted on 1/6/26 at 5:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
The sheer amount of folks you’re triggering has really increased in the last year. You must be really happy about your success.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 5:03 pm to hawgfaninc
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S&P closes at an all time high
Going to go to the moon once these dumbass tariffs are completely eliminated .
Posted on 1/6/26 at 5:06 pm to hawgfaninc
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It’ll be interesting to see how Trump fights it, if ruled illegal.
Bessent says they already have plans in place.
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