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Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:06 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
True. I used the vernacular term.
"Vernacular" doesn't mean "wrong".
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:07 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Please enlighten me. This should be entertaining.
In what legal or casual use of the word does murder includes self defense?
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:11 pm to TheWalrus
quote:judging by what is happen in the US, I agree with you.
Conservative is good and liberal is bad.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:11 pm to Dawgirl
This was in the comments:
I haven't seen this published anywhere. Has anyone seen this from an official report?
quote:
1st guy shot was shot in the back. while facing kyle. with a 9mm. which kyle did not have. someone was shooting at kyle and missed and hit one of their own.
I haven't seen this published anywhere. Has anyone seen this from an official report?
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:13 pm to hob
Wow, read the first two pages and saw a poster completely misstate Wisconsin law and then try other invalid arguments/facts/suppositions.
Amazes me at the ignorance of a few on this board. Surprisingly, all support untenable positions yet keep posting and flaming. Facts do not matter to them.
Amazes me at the ignorance of a few on this board. Surprisingly, all support untenable positions yet keep posting and flaming. Facts do not matter to them.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:24 pm to roadGator
quote:Yes
Wisconsin law?
Look, I get accused of being pedantic, and sometimes it is even true, but the way an affirnative defense works is that the jury gets two questions. First, did the defendant commit the offense. (e.g. did he kill someone). Second, was that act justified? (e.g. self-defense)
You can commit the elements of the offense (as young Kyle clearly did) and STILL not be convicted because your actions ALSO meet the elements of being justified.
That is what will happen here.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:28 pm to AggieHank86
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Look, I get accused of being pedantic, and sometimes it is even true,
No, you get accused of being an absolute moron. And it’s always true.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:29 pm to Chet Donnely
quote:You are babbling. My first post said that his actions were legally justified.
No smart arse, it was not a MURDER. You claim to be a fricking lawyer. You ever hear the term justifiable MURDER? Hint: you haven’t.
quote:It is clear that many if you do not understand the applicable terminology. No crime in that. You are laypersons. The entertaining part is watching you attack someone who DOES understand it.
That murder is ALMOST CERTAINLY justified, and he will ALMOST CERTAINLY not be convicted, but that is a question for the jury.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:30 pm to AggieHank86
Wrong again. They will not be asked if he committed MURDER. They will be asked to determine the facts and weather the facts support a finding of guilty for a particular charge.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:31 pm to AggieHank86
You clearly don’t understand shite. Otherwise you wouldn’t have said he committed a MURDER. Watching you try to explain your way out of this shite is fun though.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:31 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
It is clear that many if you do not understand the applicable terminology. No crime in that. You are laypersons. The entertaining part is watching you attack someone who DOES understand it.
From the retard that doesn’t know the definition of murder and claims he’s pedantic
This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:32 pm to Gtmodawg
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Kids mama is also going to go to jail
Why?
quote:
If you start a fight, start getting your arse kicked, pull a gun and shoot the person kicking your arse
None of this happened.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:33 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
It is clear that many if you do not understand the applicable terminology. No crime in that. You are laypersons. The entertaining part is watching you attack someone who DOES understand it.
"Justified murder"
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:37 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
It is clear that many if you do not understand the applicable terminology. No crime in that. You are laypersons. The entertaining part is watching you attack someone who DOES understand it.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:39 pm to FlySaint
quote:There was a lot of speculation about him. The consensus was that he was on some sort of conditional release, and I opined that an MTR was likely in process if that were the case.
So why is the guy who was shot in the arm after threatening Kyle not arrested?
Now, it appears that he HAD been on a conditional release, that his conditional release term was completed some years ago and that the associated restrictions on firearm possession may have expired by the terms of his plea deal. From what I have seen, the answer to that question is not clear ... one way or the other.
If the restrictions DID expire, there is nothing TO revoke. In that instance, it is legitimate to ask whether his actions with that weapon that night violated the more-general Wisconsin gun laws. Perhaps so. A reasonable person could certainly believe that he was threatening young Kyle with that handgun.
It is hard to answer these questions because there has not been much legit reporting on him or on his earlier legal ... difficulties.
This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:47 pm to mtntiger
quote:I understand there are a lot of these sorts of "people" in Ashville. It must suck to be you sometimes. Hang in there.
Some people just don't want facts. They use their own truth like a security blanket.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:53 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:Why are you so wrapped-around the axle about this? Different states use different terminology, but the concept is pretty-much universal. In Texas, self-defense is defined as a ”justification” which excuses criminal responsibility.
Justified murder
quote:Wisconsin or your state may use a different term.
PENAL CODE
TITLE 2. GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY
CHAPTER 9. JUSTIFICATION EXCLUDING CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY
Sec. 9.31. SELF-DEFENSE.
This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:55 pm to Dawgirl
The lawyer says MUST RETWEET! MUST DONATE TO THE FJUND THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO KYLE TO A FUND THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO ME!
Can't say he is not a good lawyer...
Can't say he is not a good lawyer...
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:57 pm to the808bass
quote:
You are laypersons.
Oh, Lord Jesus.
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