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re: Ever had your job become outsourced?
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:33 pm to captainFid
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:33 pm to captainFid
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Always the same demands.... document your processes to outsource, or you get no severance.
Didn't some Disney employees around 2015 or 2016 refuse to train the Indians who were replacing them and left and sued and ended up winning? Pretty sure that happened.
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:37 pm to fareplay
Parts of my jobs over thr past ten years have been moved to Poland, India, and the Philippines.
I never minded much that very unskilled labor work was produced in other countries. The white collar jobs going away bothers me.
I never minded much that very unskilled labor work was produced in other countries. The white collar jobs going away bothers me.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:40 pm to fareplay
These are some of the jobs going to be outdated soon. All an accountant does is learn a whole bunch of rules and laws and make sense of it. That's something every gen AI tool can do easily.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:43 pm to fareplay
I’m a corporate attorney and other than maybe licensing requirements, I don’t see why a combination of AI/outsourcing couldn’t eliminate my job eventually.
Aside from the general reality that Indians tend to frick up nearly everything they touch and it eventually has to be fixed by someone in NORAM at 2x the cost.
It’s hard to imagine them effectively handling corporate governance functions, negotiating contracts, and managing outside counsel, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some company tried it to save a buck. None of us are safe, truly.
Aside from the general reality that Indians tend to frick up nearly everything they touch and it eventually has to be fixed by someone in NORAM at 2x the cost.
It’s hard to imagine them effectively handling corporate governance functions, negotiating contracts, and managing outside counsel, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some company tried it to save a buck. None of us are safe, truly.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:49 pm to Meauxjeaux
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Millennials are the new Indians.
At least Indians are allowed to own houses
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:53 pm to fareplay
Not so much outsourced but eliminated here in the U.S.
Textiles!
Textiles!
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:53 pm to fareplay
He's being replaced by PHD;s now driving cabs .....
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:53 pm to OBReb6
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but they have no common sense and struggle to identify what certain things should not be applicable. And very little thing has to be explained in a thorough and formal manner to get them to understand. Its so exhausting
Yep! I will teach these guys over and over what we are trying to do. Then I see the shite they send out via email and it’s like an instant mind frick.
And the choppy English and constant misspelling is embarrassing.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:58 pm to 4cubbies
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It's called Bidenomics and the affects of the inflation caused by Bidenomics.
This has been happening for decades.
There is always going to be job outsourcing, but it is most prevalent during economic distress. It happens during economic prosperity but that is because of a labor shortage to meet work capacity.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:05 pm to fareplay
Not personally but I know people that use options in Jamaica & The Philippines. I don't and won't because money isn't the end all be all for me.
You shouldn't feel good about it. Just look around the country.
You have to balance things. We do well for ourselves with our business but we aren't going to go overseas to save money. I could easily make more money using the options at my disposal with overseas options from manufacturing to office crap but I won't do it on principle alone. I want the country to do well and part of that is making sure Americans are employed.
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I get that capitalism at all costs for profits but at cost of American jobs, not sure how I feel about this.
You shouldn't feel good about it. Just look around the country.
You have to balance things. We do well for ourselves with our business but we aren't going to go overseas to save money. I could easily make more money using the options at my disposal with overseas options from manufacturing to office crap but I won't do it on principle alone. I want the country to do well and part of that is making sure Americans are employed.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:19 pm to fareplay
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Ever had your job become outsourced?
Fortunately for me, my company cannot outsource the repair of all the equipment that has been installed that replaced laborers.
Unfortunately for me, they keep installing more automation to decrease the number of floor workers and shift laborers so my workload increases greatly while my pay doesn't.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:23 pm to fareplay
Yes i am in IT. Outsourced to an Indian company
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:28 pm to fareplay
Years ago I worked for a company and we used an enterprise application specifically designed for this specialized industry. It was designed and coded by a group up in the Northeast, but it was expensive and there were steep annual costs to stay "in support".
Eventually, it was learned they were going to go out of business, which would have left the companies using this software in an expensive hole. About six months later, it was learned the software group had been able to sell to a private equity firm, who promptly outsourced everything to India. Given some of the complex accounting and US legal issues involved with this software (some of the accounting was complicated for me to understand fully), they amazingly picked it up fairly well. From a coding standpoint, they were A+. Where things fell apart, as would be expected, was communication. Any requests to modify the software, or add a new interface, became a major ordeal. The end result was always top notch, but to get from point A to point B took 5x longer. To the point, from a cost standpoint, it was probably a wash to the equity firm.
Other thing to note - India was like 10 hours ahead. So we were often talking to programmers who were working at 1 or 2AM their time. Sometimes they would sound half asleep, or at other times you would hear cows or children or a constant stream of horns. It was distracting to say the least.
Eventually, it was learned they were going to go out of business, which would have left the companies using this software in an expensive hole. About six months later, it was learned the software group had been able to sell to a private equity firm, who promptly outsourced everything to India. Given some of the complex accounting and US legal issues involved with this software (some of the accounting was complicated for me to understand fully), they amazingly picked it up fairly well. From a coding standpoint, they were A+. Where things fell apart, as would be expected, was communication. Any requests to modify the software, or add a new interface, became a major ordeal. The end result was always top notch, but to get from point A to point B took 5x longer. To the point, from a cost standpoint, it was probably a wash to the equity firm.
Other thing to note - India was like 10 hours ahead. So we were often talking to programmers who were working at 1 or 2AM their time. Sometimes they would sound half asleep, or at other times you would hear cows or children or a constant stream of horns. It was distracting to say the least.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:33 pm to fareplay
Lost mine due to the LNG pause
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:33 pm to SuperD AP
This happened in tech in the 2000's with developers and engineers and now I'm seeing the same thing with traditional companies post-COVID.
Executives love to cut costs, and to be honest in any corporation between 30-60% of corporate jobs aren't even additive to profits on a long term basis. I often wonder what would happen if executives just consistently evaluated their headcount needs and performance and actually held people accountable....would the outsourcing even be worth it?
Executives love to cut costs, and to be honest in any corporation between 30-60% of corporate jobs aren't even additive to profits on a long term basis. I often wonder what would happen if executives just consistently evaluated their headcount needs and performance and actually held people accountable....would the outsourcing even be worth it?
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:41 pm to fareplay
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I get that capitalism at all costs for profits but at cost of American jobs, not sure how I feel about this.
Protectionism costs jobs too; they’re just harder to quantify.
Perhaps the cost of whatever is being protected goes up, and then downstream entities have to downsize in some way to adjust for the higher cost.
It would be more beneficial if we got housing prices, the cost of education, etc. under control.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:45 pm to fareplay
The South used to have a lot of textile mills and factories. When the tariffs were dropped on India and China, all of those factories vanished quickly.
Last I heard, one remaining and viable was robotic. Even robotic mills need management, maintenance, sales and marketing.
Last I heard, one remaining and viable was robotic. Even robotic mills need management, maintenance, sales and marketing.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:48 pm to SuperD AP
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They are outsourcing the accounting to team in India,
They are doing this with some engineering where I work. It is not going very well so far. Your friends company is about to "find out"
Yep we have part of our engineering team in India. I can tell you from experience that the time zone is an issue. Beyond that the amount of work we have to correct and redo because of the substandard coding is astounding. Much of the savings is being spent on re-work. Skilled people cost money and cutting corners might seem attractive in the beginning but they will learn it is not the answer. My company is seriously considering bringing the outsourced team back to the US to avoid the headache.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:50 pm to fareplay
Not possible in my case. Teaching mentally ill juvenile offenders is not outsourceable
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:50 pm to fareplay
I worked in corporate real estate for a retailer for 12 years. A new VP comes in and has the bright idea to outsource the real estate functions to outside brokers across the US. Brokers don't give a damn about the company and are not loyal to the company-they only want deals..
So 80% of the real estate staff got cut and outsourced.
They are now on the brink of bankruptcy so frick em...
So 80% of the real estate staff got cut and outsourced.
They are now on the brink of bankruptcy so frick em...
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