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Posted on 11/20/25 at 9:28 am to CastleBravo
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I want a naturally aspirated V8.
When you buy those, you give money to hippies like rivian FYI.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 9:29 am to member12
This is great news!!!
10s of thousands of Indians will get great new jobs in America!
10s of thousands of Indians will get great new jobs in America!
Posted on 11/20/25 at 9:36 am to Bard
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The average gasoline vehicle (over all classes) has a tank size of 13-15 gallons, gets ~25-30 mpg and has a range of ~400 miles.
The average EV has a range of ~300 miles (under mostly ideal conditions).
The average hybrid has a tank size of ~13 gallons, gets ~40-50 mpg and a range of 550-600 miles.
This puts hybrids at having a ~40%-50% increase in range over ICE vehicles and 80+% over EVs.
Toyota is showing the way, other companies need to be following that path if they want to survive.
It's not even the range thing being the issue. It's the fact with a traditional hybrid i can stop at agas station still and fill up in 2-3 minutes and be on my way with a full tank and range again. With an EV you stop at a charger on the road and theres a good chance it doesnt even work, but if it does, waiting 25-30 minutes minimum to go from even ust a 20% state of charge up to 80%. If you want to go to 100% or close to it, going to take probably closer to an hour. It's just a massive inconvenience for most. Until they get the charging issue solved, EVs just wont be adopted in masses here, especially without a huge tax credit to incentivize you to lease/buy one.
Plug in hybrids to me make the most sense if you have a daily commute of some kind. Can go fully electric for your commute or most of it (most ranges are around 25-40 miles) but still have the gas engine for when you need the range. They plug in and charge for cheap electricity overnight so during commutes it makes it cheap but when you need the range you got it still. These have always been interesting to me compared to traditional hybrids where the gas engine is on probably 80-95% of the time.
This post was edited on 11/20/25 at 9:37 am
Posted on 11/20/25 at 9:49 am to NC_Tigah
The path towards less emissions while also being a usable option for most Americans is not EV.
Even with the upgrades in infrastructure, you hear so many countless stories of charging stations not working or not available at all.
No way I would plan a trip outside of a city with an EV that requires me to find and plan the time to charge batteries that will eventually degrade over time.
Hybrid and other fuel systems are the way forward. Not batteries.
Even with the upgrades in infrastructure, you hear so many countless stories of charging stations not working or not available at all.
No way I would plan a trip outside of a city with an EV that requires me to find and plan the time to charge batteries that will eventually degrade over time.
Hybrid and other fuel systems are the way forward. Not batteries.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 9:55 am to NC_Tigah
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Toyota has consistently (and uniquely) focused on hybrid over EV.
Actually Toyota believes EV's are the future......but the present belongs to hybrids. They are right.
If the solid state battery technology they are working on happens it will be game changing. They say it will be available in 2028
Posted on 11/20/25 at 9:58 am to Go_Dawgs
quote:Yep. That seems to have been Toyota's calculation all along.
Even with the upgrades in infrastructure, you hear so many countless stories of charging stations not working or not available at all.
Hybrid and other fuel systems are the way forward. Not batteries.
They need to put as much thought into their hideous grill design.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 9:59 am to member12
My wife bought a EV Civic for me to drive back and forth to work. I was not happy. I swore I would never drive. But, it was great car. EV cars are the way to go. Not sure for trucks, SUVs, etc.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 10:05 am to member12
Hybrid is the way to go, and we should have eased into this instead of cramming the EV mandate down everyone's throats on day one of Sleepy Joe's reign.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 10:20 am to SDVTiger
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Hybrid should be the standard Ita satisfies both sides of the argument.
Yup. Electric for quick errands here and there. Gas for when you aren’t farting around with your drive.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 10:31 am to CastleBravo
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As long as they have cheaper non hybrid options, they can knock themselves out.
I want a naturally aspirated V8.
Im in the same boat.
There is a distinct place for hybrids (better than EV). Many people drive less than 75 miles a day and a hybrid is great for those people. And those people have the option of putting gas\diesel in the tank and going 300+ miles on a tank when they want to go on a longer trip.
But hybrids have lower towing and other such negatives. Someone who regularly pulls heavy trailers long distances cannot use an EV.
Both people need the ability to buy what they want. I am against any government mandates, if a company produces a vehicle that does what the buyer wants they should be available for sale.
The government needs to get out of these decisions. They need to hold the emissions stuff to a set standard and not change them every few years. That makes manufactures make stupid decisions to reduce weight or other ways to get mileage to a set level. Thats why Ram trucks have a plastic control arm. Thats why so many full size trucks have a 3 liter turbo, that is way too small to do what the truck owner needs it to do.
Government needs to get out of the way.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 10:36 am to member12
Out of hybrid or EV, I'll go with hybrid.
Hybrid power has been around a long time. It's been used on submarines for over 100 years, ships and locomotives.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:04 pm to thunderbird1100
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Plug in hybrids to me make the most sense. Can go fully electric for your commute but still have the gas engine for when you need the range.
Makes you wonder why we skipped ahead to fully-electric-only when the infrastructure clearly wasn't there yet to support it.
A hybrid as an intermediate stage seems perfectly logical.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:13 pm to ljhog
Evs will be practical when batteries are small enough for a man to lift out and replace with another one. Then you can go to a service station and exchange your battery for a charged one. Make your stop less than ten minutes.
The station charges batteries up for the next customer. Plus the battery needs to have about a five hundred mile range.
We will need huge upgrades to our electrical grid and increased generation.
Before all this happens I would not be surprised to see hydrogen powered vehicles.
The station charges batteries up for the next customer. Plus the battery needs to have about a five hundred mile range.
We will need huge upgrades to our electrical grid and increased generation.
Before all this happens I would not be surprised to see hydrogen powered vehicles.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 1:27 pm to member12
My wife and I both drive Toyota hybrids. I told her a few years ago before we bought our cars that hybrids were the wave of the future.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 1:35 pm to CastleBravo
quote:i have both. Different tools for different jobs
I want a naturally aspirated V8.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 1:37 pm to AlaskanLSUfan
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I told her a few years ago before we bought our cars that hybrids were the wave of the future.
A few years ago they weren't even though they should have been. The government was mandating EVs. Not hybrids.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 2:49 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:that's weird. The wife's acoord gets 42 on the interstate and 55-60 in town. Never heard of a hybrid getting better mileage at 75mph versus stop and go traffic where the battery really pays off
My future SIL purchased a Camry hybrid and gets an average of 47 mpg with highway mpg around 56.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 3:22 pm to member12
Since the first time I rode in a Prius, I wished an F150 had this power train set up. I don’t need 10k lbs towing and 400+ hp to get my camping gear and bicycle to the mountains. But 30-40 mpg would be sweet. If I need to tow heavy, I’ll get a 3/4ton.
Posted on 11/20/25 at 4:53 pm to saints5021
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Hybrid was always the answer. You get all the benefits of both sides without the drawbacks.
I consider the added complexity to be a big negative. More stuff to break for expensive repairs.
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