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re: Hydroxychloroquine showed no benefit, more deaths
Posted on 4/21/20 at 4:56 pm to gthog61
Posted on 4/21/20 at 4:56 pm to gthog61
The doctors I’ve heard who tout hydroxychloroquine agree it must be given prior to the victim becoming critical, once the virus buries deep in the lungs hydroxychloroquine probably has little effect.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 4:57 pm to Man With A Plan
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Hope so, the way this virus mutates, and the fact we have no immunity means vaccines probably won't be possible.
Quotes like this show me exactly who is paying attention and who just repeats what they see Karen posting on Facebook. Do some fricking research before you open your dicksucker.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 4:59 pm to Man With A Plan
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Malaria drug hydroxychloroquine showed no benefit in a large study of its use at U.S. veterans hospitals, researchers say.
Something tells me, that most of these patients were already in very bad shape to begin with, else they wouldn't be in the VA Hospital.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 4:59 pm to Tiguar
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brazilian study showed a significantly reduced risk of hospitalization if given to outpatients in the first 7 days
Do you have a link to this Brazilan study?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 4:59 pm to TejasHorn
quote:You are a fricked up person if you don't think it is proper for governments and doctors to test potential treatments that had positive anecdotal reports all over the world.
TejasHorn
We weren't the only nation that was hopeful about this treatment: france, the UK, and India were all hopeful about it.
When you have numerous studies all over the globe report it was having positive results on patients, you try it out. Period.
Even if it ends up not working out, it was absolutely worth a shot.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 4:59 pm to Man With A Plan
this is not new information, we had already heard, through the "anecdotal evidence" that this drug would not help once a patient got into the critical stage, but it does reduce the chances of getting that bad if caught early enough
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:00 pm to YF12
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So more than twice as many people died taking harmless drugs compared to taking no drugs at all?
Well from what I’ve read the concerning side affect (cardiac) of both those meds is additive so it would seem like If given to the wrong type of patient then it’s not a harmless drug
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:01 pm to Man With A Plan
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In this study, we found no evidence that use of hydroxychloroquine, either with or without azithromycin, reduced the risk of mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with Covid-19,” the researchers said.
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patients hospitalized

Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:01 pm to Man With A Plan
Go check out the story about the Italian doctor that makes house calls and treats the patients that show symptoms before they have to go to the hospital. Every doctor I know has told me to never go to a hospital unless you have to and get out as soon as you can because what you will catch is probably worse than what you have.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:01 pm to dcbl
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but it does reduce the chances of getting that bad if caught early enough
Of course, we do not actually know that to be true. Hence all of the studies.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:02 pm to Man With A Plan
quote:That is NOT even as acceptable as the French anecdotal studies published two months ago.
We performed a retrospective analysis
E.g., Why were the vets put on HC? Because they were sick and there was no better alternative? Why were vets put on nothing? Because they were not particularly sick?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:03 pm to Man With A Plan
Now this is a shite study.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:03 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Imagine being *giddy* that a drug that was showing anecdotal promise ended up being not as effective as thought.
You have pretty severe problems if this makes you happy.
It doesn't make me happy at all.
This drug is the real deal and cures everyone and the left in this country is willing to let millions die from this disease because they hate President Trump and they like it when people die and they like death even more if they can blame President Trump and Christians.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:04 pm to Tiguar
So in that study there was no requirement to actually test for covid and you consider that a more legit study?
So many patients could have gotten hcq and azithromycin for the common cold?
So many patients could have gotten hcq and azithromycin for the common cold?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:04 pm to Man With A Plan
They are doing it wrong.
The successful trials are conducted with the following:
1. Hydroxychloroquine dosed per weight of patient.
2. Zinc salts or zinc gluconate.
3. Azithromycin.
Hydroxychoroquine opens a path into the cell wall for the zinc ion (Z+) to enter the cell wall where Z+ interrupts viral RNA transcription by neutralizing RNA polymerase. The zinc ion inside the cell wall limits virus reproduction and Azithromiycin just plays the role of limiting secondary infection. When primary CV infection is tamped down and secondary infection is held in check the immune system has a chance to catch up.
This is the theory by Doctors that are having success with Hydroxychloroquine. You have to prescribe the entire cocktail. Not just parts.
The successful trials are conducted with the following:
1. Hydroxychloroquine dosed per weight of patient.
2. Zinc salts or zinc gluconate.
3. Azithromycin.
Hydroxychoroquine opens a path into the cell wall for the zinc ion (Z+) to enter the cell wall where Z+ interrupts viral RNA transcription by neutralizing RNA polymerase. The zinc ion inside the cell wall limits virus reproduction and Azithromiycin just plays the role of limiting secondary infection. When primary CV infection is tamped down and secondary infection is held in check the immune system has a chance to catch up.
This is the theory by Doctors that are having success with Hydroxychloroquine. You have to prescribe the entire cocktail. Not just parts.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:04 pm to Man With A Plan
Let me add: all the blue check marks hampering on the antibody studies better do so here as well.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:05 pm to Man With A Plan
Because it's not a fricking cure, nor is it meant to be or claimed to be. It is a therapeutic drug that is reported to prevent the disease from taking hold in a patient and getting to the critical stage.
According to the studies prior to this one, once the patients are hospitalized or in critical condition, it is likely too late for this drug.
According to the studies prior to this one, once the patients are hospitalized or in critical condition, it is likely too late for this drug.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:06 pm to Man With A Plan
Eh. It’s retrospective. Which means they were probably using HCQ in more seriously ill patients. It’s almost as useless as the French study.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:06 pm to Man With A Plan
You ever been to a VA Hospital? These people are usually very sick, already, with no other place to go, and the standard of care compared to major medical centers isn't even close. The VA is a last resort. It shouldn't be, but ask a Veteran if they would go to a VA Hospital by choice. So saying that Hydroxychloroquine not working in 360 VA patients isn't surprising.
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