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re: Is the Russian Army Really Failing?
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:36 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:36 pm to GumboPot
Keep in mind, a group of poorly armed goat herders caused everyone heartache in Afghanistan for decades. Both Russia and the US alike.
Russia is poorly trained and logistically challenged.
If this had been a US campaign as in Iraq…Military command communications are cut, delivery systems non existent, power cut off and water works stopped.
Russia doesn’t control the air. Iraq air was rendered useless within a few days.
Russia is poorly trained and logistically challenged.
If this had been a US campaign as in Iraq…Military command communications are cut, delivery systems non existent, power cut off and water works stopped.
Russia doesn’t control the air. Iraq air was rendered useless within a few days.
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:43 pm to bluedragon
Southfront wrote this yesterday
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On March 1, numerous unmanned reconnaissance drones of the Russian Armed Forces were observed in the skies over Ukraine, especially near Kharkiv. The question arises why the Russians actually neglected this element of aerial reconnaissance in the previous 5 days, after they reached full air supremacy. Apparently, the answer lies in the incompetence of some of the Moscow carpet generals, who had achieved the command positions in the military operation against Ukraine through intrigues seeking for upcoming awards and promotions.
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Gross mistakes in the first 5 days of the war on the part of the Russian command in a number of directions are noted by both Russian and American military experts. For example, it is hard to imagine the logic of the senior commander, who on February 27th ordered a platoon with 4 light armored vehicles, separated from the main forces and without prior reconnaissance to go deep into the city area of Kharkiv in order to take and protect the transport ring. As a result, the grouping was destroyed and one soldier was taken prisoner. There were many such examples during the first 5 days of the operation, especially in the Kharkiv direction, somewhat less in the Kherson and Sumy areas.
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However, on March 1 the situation objectively changed. In addition to the use of drones for reconnaissance, rear and supply columns of the Russian Armed Forces began to move with combat guards. The movement of Russian armored vehicles, both on the march and in urban areas with infantry on armor, was noted.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:45 pm to Lima Whiskey
So Putin’s retard nephew was relieved of command on 2/28?
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:48 pm to AUstar
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So why is everyone saying Russia has failed just because they haven't taken a larger country (Ukraine) in under a week? Honest question.
Most people are mainly focused on the casualties
The main reason Russia looks like shite when compared isn't necessarily the time-line
When considering that the US had to go across the world to do some 'Nation Buildings while Russia shares a border with Ukraine and speaks their language
Keeve is about 50 miles from the border while Baghdad is ~250 and the terrain of Iraq is much worse
But what tops all that is the amount of losses, the US lost about 150 men during the invasion of Iraq
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:49 pm to GnashRebel
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has allowed a much smaller force to inflict a lot of pain.
Isn't Ukraine military larger than the number of Russians attacking?
Wasn't it 300k for Ukraine but less armor and way less airpower?
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:57 pm to AUstar
I'm not going to lie, it looks like the Russians at first tried to go with a shock and awe blitz to force a quick surrender. When that didn't work, they began using the peace process as a smoke screen to maneuver their forces and regroup. Mistakes were made early on, but they have appeared to adjust accordingly. It appears that the Russian army held back to get logistics in place and have now achieved several primary objectives:
1. They have completely encircled the bulk of Ukrainian forces around Kharkiv.
2. They have nearly completed their takeover of Mariopol, Meltipol, and Mykolaiv, gaining control of the lower Dnieper River as well as the canal system which, until recently, supplied the Crimean peninsula with fresh water. As such, the Russian forces should be able to clear the obstructions in the canals built by the Ukrainian government and begin refilling the dangerously low reservoirs which supply Sevestapol with drinking water.
3. They have nearly completed building linking their forces in Crimea with the breakaway rebels in Transnistria near the Moldovan border.
4. They have dissuaded Poland and Hungary from allowing NATO arms to flow into Western Ukraine through their countries (Romania is still on the fence).
5. Kiev has been completely encircled and cut off from the rest of the Ukrainian army.
If the Ukrainian forces cannot break out from the various areas where they have been encircled, the losses will go a long way towards breaking moral in Kiev. The Russians have been wise to avoid utilizing their artillery to shell Kiev to pieces. I believe doing so would only steel the resolve of the Ukrainians to resist to the last man. I do not know, but I would imagine that if the Russians force the Ukrainian forces around Kharkiv to surrender, and Kiev fails to break the siege quickly, the city will not resist for more than a week.
1. They have completely encircled the bulk of Ukrainian forces around Kharkiv.
2. They have nearly completed their takeover of Mariopol, Meltipol, and Mykolaiv, gaining control of the lower Dnieper River as well as the canal system which, until recently, supplied the Crimean peninsula with fresh water. As such, the Russian forces should be able to clear the obstructions in the canals built by the Ukrainian government and begin refilling the dangerously low reservoirs which supply Sevestapol with drinking water.
3. They have nearly completed building linking their forces in Crimea with the breakaway rebels in Transnistria near the Moldovan border.
4. They have dissuaded Poland and Hungary from allowing NATO arms to flow into Western Ukraine through their countries (Romania is still on the fence).
5. Kiev has been completely encircled and cut off from the rest of the Ukrainian army.
If the Ukrainian forces cannot break out from the various areas where they have been encircled, the losses will go a long way towards breaking moral in Kiev. The Russians have been wise to avoid utilizing their artillery to shell Kiev to pieces. I believe doing so would only steel the resolve of the Ukrainians to resist to the last man. I do not know, but I would imagine that if the Russians force the Ukrainian forces around Kharkiv to surrender, and Kiev fails to break the siege quickly, the city will not resist for more than a week.
This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 12:00 am
Posted on 3/2/22 at 12:10 am to RuLSU
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There are credible reports of machines breaking down, troop desertion, heavy casualties, heavy equipment loss, etc.
It's still highly likely the Russians take over Ukraine. But they face a long and brutal insurgency, equipment shortages, a damaged economy and a lot of uncertainty.
This I agree with, but I want to see more reports and less media... I hear nothing other than Ukrainian propaganda of Russian defeats with no evidence.
I mentioned the Russian pyschy.. but have not read any real reports.
The old people killed video was a telling tale.
I am in God's country with no tv media. Only limited tablet access to td.com for my news. Who is gonna step up and report this sheet?
This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 12:11 am
Posted on 3/2/22 at 12:59 am to AUstar
They tried doing the blitzkrieg method with a small force hoping that Ukraine would just fold early. They also lost some men and vehicles because they out-ran their supply lines. Now that the Ukrainians have dug in, they'll get the bulk of Russia's military power.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 2:03 am to Tantal
Yep…Russia hasn’t committed its full military might to this fight…so far they haven’t prosecuted this war they way they have trained to fight…which is massive fires, followed by tanks supported by infantry.
Everything has been an unsupported infantry company of conscripts, or armor without infantry, or spetznaz out on the arse end of an engagement getting fricked up in an ambush…completely outside of their military doctrine.
They also haven’t committed the full might of their air power.
Ukraine has no doubt stunned them with tenacious resistance , but if Russia wanted to stop fricking around and prosecute an actual full scale, conventional war, they’d crush Ukraine…however their political goals have thus far prevented this.
If this conflict draws out another week or so, I’d expect Russia to stop fricking around and commit more bodies and material to this.
Promises have been made to Ukraine for more airpower, however there aren’t exactly 100s of pilots waiting for birds…Ukraine needs logistics, and more manpads/javelins/nlaws to make Russia hurt…unfortunately I think this conflict will get extremely ugly for Ukraine…the scale of modern, conventional war we could potentially see would be unlike any other.
Everything has been an unsupported infantry company of conscripts, or armor without infantry, or spetznaz out on the arse end of an engagement getting fricked up in an ambush…completely outside of their military doctrine.
They also haven’t committed the full might of their air power.
Ukraine has no doubt stunned them with tenacious resistance , but if Russia wanted to stop fricking around and prosecute an actual full scale, conventional war, they’d crush Ukraine…however their political goals have thus far prevented this.
If this conflict draws out another week or so, I’d expect Russia to stop fricking around and commit more bodies and material to this.
Promises have been made to Ukraine for more airpower, however there aren’t exactly 100s of pilots waiting for birds…Ukraine needs logistics, and more manpads/javelins/nlaws to make Russia hurt…unfortunately I think this conflict will get extremely ugly for Ukraine…the scale of modern, conventional war we could potentially see would be unlike any other.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 4:16 am to offshoreangler
There is a lot of 'hope' for both sides that is being reported, and not a lot of hard documentation being done.
The idea that the Russians haven't committed a great deal of most of their offensive military capabilities into the Ukraine is simply false. Professional estimates put it at about 100 brigades-- the number seems a smidge high, as some forces are support, some are logistics, some are simply holding in place to keep territory subjugated-- but presumably launched out of 10 main assembly points. Not all of these forces have left their staging areas.
There are plenty of problems. This isn't a sharp Russian military machine; their air force has been largely withheld, according to the DoD, presumably out of concern for the S300 AA and other air defense systems that have made daylight operations for the Russian air force far too risky an affair.
This is the same Russia that has been engaged in directly fighting a few times, with what may be charitably called as modest success- see Syria.
Now, there are assessments done by Ukranians (dubious at best), the DoD (hand firmly tipped toward the Ukraine), and independent analysts -- a good rule of thumb for sorting out which are disinformation operations is to check out their history prior to the Russian invasion-- plenty of mushrooms are out there, that sprouted up as mouthpieces. Ones that do things like document Malaysian drone acquisition policies and North Korean military structure, not so much.
Reasonably well documented videographic and photographic evidence of equipment losses tend to put Russian losses through yesterday at a minimum of 423 vehicles of note, of which: destroyed: 177, damaged: 8, abandoned: 107, captured: 131.
The better sources tend to have links to documented and confirmed media; many of the documented vehicle losses are simply abandoned equipment-- which is staggeringly high for a forward moving force-- the Ukranians are a little below that, but they seem to be abandoning their equipment when being overrun. Now, these are low end estimates, with only confirmed evidence, and they're going to lag behind actual Russian losses.
Logistical problems are a long time menace to Russian forces, and its showing up in the Ukraine. It, paired with unsuported raiding columns and paratrooper drops that got chewed up early, contributed mightily to Russians not meeting many of their original timelines.
Are they underperforming? Depends on where and how you look at it. Their progress in the north has been pretty underwhelming. Their progress around Sumny was disappointing, but seems to be picking up a little steam now, with numbers and Grozny rules fighting becoming the norm. The most important fighting for 'connecting' things may well be along the Mariupol-Odessa corridor. Mariupol is surrounded, and Odessa will be the last major obstacle from a broadly successful southern route of advance being deemed a solid success-- this is also where the most significant part of the 'best' Russian forces have been committed. Its also where they've been most true to their combined arms doctrines, not sending out unsupported raiding columns.
Its also worth noting that even Ukrainian estimates of manpower losses to date have been slowing down, as the Russians stopped doing some of the boneheaded things of the first couple of days. Russian casualty rates, even by Ukranian estimates, have fallen by about half since the opening days of the war.
The idea that the Russians haven't committed a great deal of most of their offensive military capabilities into the Ukraine is simply false. Professional estimates put it at about 100 brigades-- the number seems a smidge high, as some forces are support, some are logistics, some are simply holding in place to keep territory subjugated-- but presumably launched out of 10 main assembly points. Not all of these forces have left their staging areas.
There are plenty of problems. This isn't a sharp Russian military machine; their air force has been largely withheld, according to the DoD, presumably out of concern for the S300 AA and other air defense systems that have made daylight operations for the Russian air force far too risky an affair.
This is the same Russia that has been engaged in directly fighting a few times, with what may be charitably called as modest success- see Syria.
Now, there are assessments done by Ukranians (dubious at best), the DoD (hand firmly tipped toward the Ukraine), and independent analysts -- a good rule of thumb for sorting out which are disinformation operations is to check out their history prior to the Russian invasion-- plenty of mushrooms are out there, that sprouted up as mouthpieces. Ones that do things like document Malaysian drone acquisition policies and North Korean military structure, not so much.
Reasonably well documented videographic and photographic evidence of equipment losses tend to put Russian losses through yesterday at a minimum of 423 vehicles of note, of which: destroyed: 177, damaged: 8, abandoned: 107, captured: 131.
The better sources tend to have links to documented and confirmed media; many of the documented vehicle losses are simply abandoned equipment-- which is staggeringly high for a forward moving force-- the Ukranians are a little below that, but they seem to be abandoning their equipment when being overrun. Now, these are low end estimates, with only confirmed evidence, and they're going to lag behind actual Russian losses.
Logistical problems are a long time menace to Russian forces, and its showing up in the Ukraine. It, paired with unsuported raiding columns and paratrooper drops that got chewed up early, contributed mightily to Russians not meeting many of their original timelines.
Are they underperforming? Depends on where and how you look at it. Their progress in the north has been pretty underwhelming. Their progress around Sumny was disappointing, but seems to be picking up a little steam now, with numbers and Grozny rules fighting becoming the norm. The most important fighting for 'connecting' things may well be along the Mariupol-Odessa corridor. Mariupol is surrounded, and Odessa will be the last major obstacle from a broadly successful southern route of advance being deemed a solid success-- this is also where the most significant part of the 'best' Russian forces have been committed. Its also where they've been most true to their combined arms doctrines, not sending out unsupported raiding columns.
Its also worth noting that even Ukrainian estimates of manpower losses to date have been slowing down, as the Russians stopped doing some of the boneheaded things of the first couple of days. Russian casualty rates, even by Ukranian estimates, have fallen by about half since the opening days of the war.
This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 4:20 am
Posted on 3/2/22 at 4:27 am to AUstar
Operational pause.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 4:46 am to AUstar
The US didn’t have an armored convey en route to an offensive target run out of gas and food a week in.
The US didn’t have abandoned and surrender equipment littering the country side a week in either.
The US didn’t have abandoned and surrender equipment littering the country side a week in either.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 4:50 am to beulahland
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Russia is poorly trained and logistically challenged.
I think this is a poorly vetted opinion that does not reflect what I've heard from various military experts.
That said, this fight looks to be to the hub of CIA black hat and other globalist operations. Thus I expect to see this fight last a bit longer than the typical operations we've seen from them recently. With the Russians circling Kiev, I could see this being a temporary "David Koresh" style stand-off with the goal being to slowly leak out the proper reasons the conflict began. If so, the corrupt participants from the good ole USA are going to be outed in our media, but that will not happen overnight, given that 90 percent of the media are puppets to the globalists. JMO.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 4:55 am to Ag Zwin
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If I recall correctly, Iraq was the #4 team on the planet at one point in the not too distant past.
That was before Desert Storm and that was probably bullshite our propagandists out.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 5:11 am to AUstar
quote:The answer to that is only as reliable as the quality of information used to derive it.
Is the Russian Army Really Failing?
The reliability of information in this instance is awful.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 5:21 am to AUstar
What Ukraine needs to do now is counter attack Moscow. Talk about shock and awe.
This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 5:23 am
Posted on 3/2/22 at 6:05 am to Figgy
What are you talking about? Biden tucked tail and ran out of Afghanistan and caused 13 soldiers their deaths. He hasn't suffered a bit....in fact he has the media fellating him daily and two official diaper changers.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 6:05 am to AUstar
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So why is everyone saying Russia has failed just because they haven't taken a larger country (Ukraine) in under a week? Honest question.
Because the propagandists would have you believe a handful of militaries on the planet would give us a fight. At the end of the day, it’s the US and then everyone else was down. Maybe high school vs NFL way down. However, in order to keep support for military spending up, we need a boogeyman to be afraid of. We have almost 3X more carriers than the second country and 3-4x the number of aircraft.
At the end of the day, the Russians are poorly equipped and poorly supplied compared to the US because Russia is a poor country comparatively. Therefore there is no comparison in how the two would wage war.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 6:06 am to BeepNode
You actually believe the media? In a time of war?? Lolololol.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 6:09 am to AUstar
As of March 2, the Russian Defense Ministry says that a total of 1,502 Ukrainian military infrastructure facilities were put out of action. Among them: 51 command posts and communication centers of the Ukrainian armed forces, 38 S-300, Buk M-1 and Osa anti-aircraft missile systems, 51 radar stations.
The defense ministry added that Russian forces destroyed 47 aircraft on the ground and 11 aircraft in the air, 472 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 62 multiple rocket launchers, 206 field artillery pieces and mortars, 336 units of special military vehicles, 46 unmanned aerial vehicles
The defense ministry added that Russian forces destroyed 47 aircraft on the ground and 11 aircraft in the air, 472 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 62 multiple rocket launchers, 206 field artillery pieces and mortars, 336 units of special military vehicles, 46 unmanned aerial vehicles
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