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re: It's important to realize that few people alive today know what a real war is...
Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:21 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:21 am to RollTide1987
Not only the costs of war but also the impact it makes back home. Both grandpas were in WWII and grandmas were alive during that time too. I remember doing a project in the 8th grade about how America rationed during the war. Can you imagine asking people today to donate pots and pans that weren't being used in the house. Not getting as much sugar and other items because they were needed on the war front. So many things average Americans had to give up because it was needed more on the war front.
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Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:21 am to RollTide1987
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Most of the stuff we learned in history class about the conflict were the anti-war protests and draft riots.
Public school indoctrination at its finest.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:25 am to Saint Alfonzo
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The Gulf War has 1.7 to 3.9 million living veterans. The Global War on Terrorism has 3 million living veterans. Are they not veterans of a real war?
Imagine a war with very few rules of engagement. Instead of going house to house fighting to save citizens you stand off at a distance and pound the area into submission.
Imagine our country where every economic effort is to support the war. And any domestic opposition to the war or the war effort is ruthlessly crushed.
Imagine a war where, because of modern weapons, out cities and people become targets.
That is what total war would be like.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:30 am to djsdawg
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What is the age range of a Vietnam vet?
Like 75-90. I golfed often with one who is now 90. He flew a fighter jet from the beginning till the end. He killed a lot of people and got shot once but landed the plane.
At the end a lot of South Vietnamese refugees landed in South Louisiana and did very well in small business and fishing.
1964-74 was a wild decade...Vietnam War, Race Riots, Drug Culture, Sexual Revolution, etc. It all created the best decade of music ever. Now called Classic Rock.
This post was edited on 2/16/26 at 11:49 am
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:03 pm to Zach
I'm 81, went to viet nam in 63, it felt too damn real to me.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:33 pm to Zach
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Like 75-90. I golfed often with one who is now 90. He flew a fighter jet from the beginning till the end. He killed a lot of people and got shot once but landed the plane.
Doesn’t seem like many left to understand how bad it was
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:43 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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The Global War on Terrorism has 3 million living veterans.
I am a so-called veteran of the Global War on Terrorism and I do not consider myself to have been involved in a real war. Though I served/serve in the Navy so my experiences are probably different from those who actually were boots on ground.
This post was edited on 2/16/26 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:44 pm to RollTide1987
A lot guys who were in Iraq and Afghanistan would disagree with you.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 1:05 pm to RollTide1987
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Real in the sense that there was a high human cost to be sure, but no one here in the United States or anywhere else in the west truly felt any of that.
What?
Every mother and father and brother and sister who got a folded flag sent home felt it.
What a jackleg thing to say.
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There was a draft but fewer than 600,000 American military personnel actually served in country at any one time, with 2.7 million personnel serving in South Vietnam over the course of the entire conflict (which lasted 15 years). For comparison, over 10 million Americans served in active combat zones in less than three and a half years of war in the 1940s.
Dude, WWII was the worst war in the history of the 'effing planet.
You're (and everyone claiming the Vietnam or Korea or Iraq, etc. weren't 'real wars') committing several fallacies here: appeal to the extremes, True Scotsman, false dichotomy.
Claiming that a conflict has to be on scale with WWII to be considered a "real war" is applying an arbitrary standard that is asinine. It's like claiming that anything less than the Tenerife airport disaster isn't a "real" plane crash.
Because we've absolved Congress of the responsibility of actually declaring wars like they are supposed to we can't depend on that as a standard, but in my world anything that involves a sustained military presence—not just a short operation in and out—and ongoing fighting and American casualties is a "real war." And obviously, any time one country actually declares war on another.
For sure the Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War, Afghanistan War, and Iraq War were "real wars," and I'd be open to someone making the case for other conflicts as well.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 1:06 pm to Bodyaid
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it felt too damn real to me.
It was.
That guy's a retard.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 1:14 pm to Bodyaid
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I'm 81, went to viet nam in 63, it felt too damn real to me.
You might remember that some of our air bases were in neighboring nations. My pilot buddy said 'I was never in Vietnam. I flew over it every day.'
Posted on 2/16/26 at 1:31 pm to captainFid
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If you served our country
One of my regrets, but it was not to be.
I got married when I was 17 and had kids by 19 while at LSU, and another before I graduated = deferrals.
Went to work in Defense industry and had deferments from that had I needed them.
As I look back over that timespan - I am glad I didn't have to endure the Vietnam grind - I really love those who did serve, and several of my classmates did - all survived, but had bad experiences there 3 Marines + several Navy & at least one Air Force.
Then, as I became aware of how we got involved in that morass, I became so filled with hatred for LBJ that I carry that loathing for him to this day.
My greatest respect and admiration for all who were drawn into that fiasco.
I feel so very small with respect to what they endured.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 1:39 pm to ChineseBandit58
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There may not even be a dozen real veterans of that war still alive
We started the year with just over 45,000 WWII veterans alive.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 2:00 pm to wackatimesthree
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Claiming that a conflict has to be on scale with WWII to be considered a "real war" is applying an arbitrary standard that is asinine.
Ok. You're not seeing the forest for the trees. No one is saying that those weren't real wars.
We are talking scale here.
Here's an example.
A community has seen Bobcats before and a few have been attacked by them. They're scary and should be kept very far away from.
Then some people with a sense of scale warn you about tigers and warn you that these cats are REAL cats.
You're sitting here arguing
"But I've seen a bobcat! I know what a REAL cat is!!!!"
Scale bro. Scale
We, thank God, haven't seen a tiger.
Pray the worst we ever see is that mean Ole bobcat.
This post was edited on 2/16/26 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 2/16/26 at 2:03 pm to RollTide1987
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I am a so-called veteran of the Global War on Terrorism and I do not consider myself to have been involved in a real war. Though I served/serve in the Navy so my experiences are probably different from those who actually were boots on ground.
If I wanted to be shot at I would have joined the Army or the Marines. Floating around on aircraft carriers was fine with me. My five deployments including a war cruise were all real.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 2:03 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Then, as I became aware of how we got involved in that morass, I became so filled with hatred for LBJ that I carry that loathing for him to this day.
Not to mention you guys were absolutely shite on upon arrival back home. Disgraceful behavior. As if you guys were busy dictating policy.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 2:10 pm to RollTide1987
War is definitely hell.....and expensive. However, the world forgets what happens when the U.S. fully commits to warfare. Sure, we've had our proxy wars in the Cold War and GWOT, but those were just news stories to the vast majority of Americans. If you didn't have friends or loved ones involved, you really weren't touched personally. WW2 is the last time that the U.S. really committed to total war. One in which our full political, economic, and industrial might formed into a singular military fist.
My only concern is that we were a singular culture at that time and all were committed to our defense. Now we've just become a multicultural, multi-ethnic economic zone. The vast majority of our newcomers are just here for the economic benefits and don't see this piece of land and our ideals as anything worth dying for.
My only concern is that we were a singular culture at that time and all were committed to our defense. Now we've just become a multicultural, multi-ethnic economic zone. The vast majority of our newcomers are just here for the economic benefits and don't see this piece of land and our ideals as anything worth dying for.
This post was edited on 2/16/26 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 2/16/26 at 2:10 pm to Sticky37
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No one is saying that those weren't real wars.
That's literally what he said. His exact words.
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We are talking scale here.
Yeah, I addressed that.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 2:30 pm to ChineseBandit58
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I am approaching 88 and I was only 7 years old when the war ended. There may not even be a dozen real veterans of that war still alive
there are 45 to 60k WWII vets still alive per google.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 2:43 pm to RollTide1987
Plenty, plenty know war. Very few if any know "TOTAL WAR"
Regardless how you personally feel about it TOTAL WAR is good for a society.
It brings people together in ways never before imaginable.
Imagine 6 years of the week after 9/11.
We have had nothing but slap d regional conflicts since ww2. It allowed the feckless to value themselves more than the cause, and the only people who learned truth were those in combat.
We, as a nation then systematically went out of our way to destroy our returning warfighters starting in Nam and it continues today.
22 a day wasn't a thing after ww2.
Everyone needs to look in a fn mirror.
Regardless how you personally feel about it TOTAL WAR is good for a society.
It brings people together in ways never before imaginable.
Imagine 6 years of the week after 9/11.
We have had nothing but slap d regional conflicts since ww2. It allowed the feckless to value themselves more than the cause, and the only people who learned truth were those in combat.
We, as a nation then systematically went out of our way to destroy our returning warfighters starting in Nam and it continues today.
22 a day wasn't a thing after ww2.
Everyone needs to look in a fn mirror.
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