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re: Libertarians seem to have a problem right now
Posted on 1/8/26 at 10:06 am to AllbyMyRelf
Posted on 1/8/26 at 10:06 am to AllbyMyRelf
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Maybe not most, but a lot of libertarians will accept market regulation as long as it’s done honestly and with open eyes.
A lot of it has to do with natural trends of govt. Ask yourself: 'Does America have less market regulation today than it did 100 years ago?' The answer is obviously 'no.' Therefore, why should we not expect that the regulations will be MUCH heavier 100 years from now until we're in totalitarianism? The natural state of govt is to increase their control.
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 10:07 am to theunknownknight
Libertarians are ground zero for Panicans. They are all nervous people 24/7
Posted on 1/8/26 at 10:16 am to theunknownknight
Monopolies only exist when created by the government.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 10:17 am to theunknownknight
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Libertarians seem to have a problem right now
Who knew that the "anti-government" government party would be plagued by various contradictions.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 10:58 am to AllbyMyRelf
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Maybe not most, but a lot of libertarians will accept market regulation as long as it’s done honestly
This certainly isnt the case on this board. "Free Market" capitalism has become their god. Theyve even gaslit themselves into believing that this concept is what our country was founded on and is its highest ordeal
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:26 am to theunknownknight
Libertarians are naive children trying to function in an adult world.
When I was a kid, I asked my mom for something, and she said we didn't have the money. Yet, I saw $10 in her purse. I didn't understand what my mom really meant. This is how libertarians navigate the world - idealistic without a clear picture of reality.
When I was a kid, I asked my mom for something, and she said we didn't have the money. Yet, I saw $10 in her purse. I didn't understand what my mom really meant. This is how libertarians navigate the world - idealistic without a clear picture of reality.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 8:06 pm to theunknownknight
hell, Trump is the most interventionist president in the economy since FDR. Are the TD posters going to demolish him for that?
Libertarians are kings of sounding good on paper until they wake up to real life
Libertarians are kings of sounding good on paper until they wake up to real life
Posted on 1/8/26 at 8:26 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Maybe not most, but a lot of libertarians will accept market regulation as long as it’s done honestly
This certainly isnt the case on this board. "Free Market" capitalism has become their god.
Free market capitalism fundamentally relies on strong rule of law and private property rights, just so you know.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 8:28 pm to theunknownknight
Libertarians might as well become communitarians… ya know communists IF they try to defend socialism. Socialists seek to destroy nations.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 8:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It was, at least professed, as a MAGA policy plank.
It was more than that. It was hammered daily here. For six years.
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Only us, or do other countries also have this right?
On the scale of countries and foreign policy, "rights" basically mean whatever can be enforced.
So can other countries resist efforts against them? If so, then yeah.
They have the right. It may not be smart, or something we would consider to be ethical, but on that scale might pretty much makes right.
It's not any set of international rules that keeps countries in line. Especially the ones most apt to act badly. It's the threat of retaliation.
This post was edited on 1/8/26 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 1/8/26 at 8:39 pm to sta4ever
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That’s always been the problem with Libertarians. The things Libertarians want are too unrealistic for a nation that has to be a force in the world.
Every single founding father of this country would identify as a Libertarian. Thank God they didn’t listen to compromising fricks on the Poli Board or we’d be limp dick socialists like Canada.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 8:47 pm to scottydoesntknow
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"Free Market" capitalism has become their god
Free market doesn't neccessarily mean zero regulations. It does mean minimal
define free market
While I am not a Libertarian, I do see that those of that sway hold an important role in our populace and wish there were more in government. Without them, we seem to devolve into what we have now. Unelected officials pushing regulation after regulation mostly at the behest of large corporations.
I mean, everyone here seems to want Libertarianism to be perfect, but none here seem to worry about holding their own belief system to be even close to better.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 8:48 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Libertarian
Libertarian =/= classic liberal
Posted on 1/8/26 at 8:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Only us, or do other countries also have this right?
Only us.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 8:58 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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When I was a kid, I asked my mom for something, and she said we didn't have the money. Yet, I saw $10 in her purse. I didn't understand what my mom really meant. This is how libertarians navigate the world - idealistic without a clear picture of reality
Not only does this example make zero sense, but modern conservatives, with zero ideals with which to stand on, is how we ended up in this mess. We have what would be considered a Democrat in the 80's and 90's leading the new conservative movement. All you guys do is capitulate. At least Libertarians have a backbone.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:05 pm to theunknownknight
You make excellent points. I think what Libertarians see and understand most of all is that everything government touches turns to crap. Forget more regulations and more laws, they don’t work. Who do you think is making all these rules and regulations? Well, its the same guys that caused the problems to begin with. Everything in this world has been made complicated on purpose, and that purpose is to ensure that certain groups/people come out on top.
If you want to fix things, you have to almost start over. Simplify everything - tax codes, regulations, laws. Enforce the laws and regulations that you have, fairly and evenly. A lot of people should be in prison. Until that happens, we will get nowhere.
If you want to fix things, you have to almost start over. Simplify everything - tax codes, regulations, laws. Enforce the laws and regulations that you have, fairly and evenly. A lot of people should be in prison. Until that happens, we will get nowhere.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:32 pm to theunknownknight
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1. There is no such thing as a "free economy" in the real world:
In the real world - regulations have to kick in at some point, or the "winners" of the system can snowball their resources and gain complete control of the system.
There is no such thing as a "free economy"
Communism proves it on one extreme
Private Equity, crony capitalism, and Monopolies prove it on the other
As long as human nature is involved, something will go out of balance eventually.
All I will add here is that many self-proclaimed supporters of free markets don’t support “free” trade.
10,000 page trade “agreements” with subsidies for favored industries, carve-outs for favored constituencies and green energy incentives baked-in is not “free” trade but regulated trade.
You either have “free trade” or you don’t: true free trade doesn’t pick winners, it just lets the market work.
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The Monroe Doctrine isn't some imperialist idea. If a hostile foreign power starts building a military base in the Caribbean or South America, that’s basically in the U.S.’s front yard. It makes the country a lot more vulnerable to things like invasion pressure or blockades.
Fair enough — but realism cuts both ways.
If the Monroe Doctrine is realism rather than imperialism, logical consistency demands acknowledging that other great powers may think in similar terms — even though we may not like the implications.
If foreign bases in the Western Hemisphere justify military action by the United Ststes, then what about the West’s proxy war in Ukraine or the U.S. military buildup in the South China Sea?
This post was edited on 1/8/26 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:59 pm to UtahCajun
Great posts UtahCajun.
What gets me is all these supposed “freedom-loving” conservatives on this board trying to paint libertarians as part of the problem.
What gets me is all these supposed “freedom-loving” conservatives on this board trying to paint libertarians as part of the problem.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 10:49 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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10,000 page trade “agreements” with subsidies for favored industries, carve-outs for favored constituencies and green energy incentives baked-in is not “free” trade but regulated trade
"Conservatives" here arguing for regulations cause "they protect us".
Who the hell do they think writes many of these regulations?
Answer: corporations and they use bribery known as lobbying to get what they want.
Sure has helped and protected us a lot.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:35 am to UtahCajun
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Conservatives" here arguing for regulations cause "they protect us".
Who the hell do they think writes many of these regulations?
Answer: corporations and they use bribery known as lobbying to get what they want.
Sure has helped and protected us a lot.
This is why I am willing to take a “wait and see” approach to where Trump’s policies on tariffs take us: we don’t enjoy “free” trade but instead have “managed” trade — and this has been the reality since long before Trump was elected. Yet on the same token, I certainly am not blind to the very real risks that Trump’s tariffs entail.
For good or ill, one of Trump’s stratagems in negotiation involves throwing things against the wall to see if it sticks. That is not a value judgement but an observable fact.
Trump’s “art” of crafting a deal thus involve starts, stops, twists and turns to see what will work. With this framework in mind, Trump’s industrial and trade policies reflect both nationalist and pragmatic considerations.
As a nationalist, Trump believes the industrial capability of a nation is not simply a matter of economic policy but is at it’s core a matter of national security. And as a pragmatist, Trump is not a dogmatic ideologue and is willing to negotiate on points of contention when it comes to matters of international trade.
Trump’s economic vision thus reflects aspects of both nationalism and pragmatism. While Trump believes tariffs should be used to protect America’s industrial base, Trump is also willing to use tariffs as a negotiating tool to leverage better deals with trading partners.
With that said, Trump’s trade policies necessarily entail the risk of trade wars, market instability, job losses, higher prices and an economy in a free-fall. Noting the very real possibility that Trump’s strategy on tariffs could backfire spectacularly is not “anti-Trump” but simply an objective appraisal of how these tariff strategies could end.
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 9:40 am
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