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re: Our US government has lied to us FOREVER
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:21 am to Harry Boutte
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:21 am to Harry Boutte
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You're right, it was fought to keep the slaves.
nope
It was fought over the north's economic aggression toward the south, much like the Revolutionary War wad against England.
Unfortunately the south had little industry.
If the south would have won the North would have been taken over by someone else as they would not have enough men to fight their later wars.
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:21 am to KiwiHead
quote:Term limits would definitely be a double-edged sword.
But what I really want is to enshrine gubmint corruption via term limits.
Lobby and contribution limits, if done right, not so much.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:22 am to fairweatherfans
I’m with ya on the suggestions, but it pisses me off when people try to equate the two parties as EQUALLY bad and corrupt. THEY ARE NOT!!!!!
Republicans generally have principles and a sense of morality that guides beyond merely. There are also A LOT of TRUELY Christian and ethical people on the Republican side.
DEMOCRATS have NO standards. Their principles, ethics, and morality are ONLY shaped by their lust for power and subjugation of others. They will do or stand for anything they deem will help keep them in power. They are self-serving monsters… every one of them. That’s why you see them so ‘unified’ in support over things that are absolutely HORRIFIC (abortion, trans, Islam, etc…). Because those are things they think they can use to keep them in power. Our constitutional republic system doesn’t promote despotism and tyranny, so the democrats support things that will tear our system to pieces and put them in power in perpetuity.
Oh, and they HATE Christians and God.
Republicans generally have principles and a sense of morality that guides beyond merely. There are also A LOT of TRUELY Christian and ethical people on the Republican side.
DEMOCRATS have NO standards. Their principles, ethics, and morality are ONLY shaped by their lust for power and subjugation of others. They will do or stand for anything they deem will help keep them in power. They are self-serving monsters… every one of them. That’s why you see them so ‘unified’ in support over things that are absolutely HORRIFIC (abortion, trans, Islam, etc…). Because those are things they think they can use to keep them in power. Our constitutional republic system doesn’t promote despotism and tyranny, so the democrats support things that will tear our system to pieces and put them in power in perpetuity.
Oh, and they HATE Christians and God.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:31 am to RohanGonzales
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It was fought over the north's economic aggression
Wrong - except insofar as slavery was an economic system that the Republicans wanted to abolish.
There had been violence over slavery since before the Missouri Compromise. Electing a Republican for the first time, a party plank of which was abolition, prompted southern states to start seceding within weeks following the election, and before the president was even sworn in. The writing was on the wall, slavery was on the way out.
Not to mention the fact that most documents of secession had the issue of slavery at the forefront.
This is how Mississippi opened their statement of secession:
In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.
You can't gaslight that away - no matter how badly you want to.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:35 am to Harry Boutte
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Harry Boutte
Reciting the shite that the winners wrote means nothing.
As usual, the instigators of the war had to run massive drafts to get other suckers to go fight the war for them. Those were the largest draft riots in U.S. history by the way.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:37 am to Harry Boutte
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You can't gaslight that away - no matter how badly you want to.
I would never claim that slavery wasn’t a major cause of the Civil War, but to pretend that there weren’t multiple other causes is dishonest. Economic factors from the colonial period up to the mid-19th century had produced irreconcilable differences between the North and South. The existence of slavery was simply an offshoot of those economic differences.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:38 am to fairweatherfans
The real fix is no one who hasn’t worked a blue collar 9-5 job in their life should be allowed to hold public office… too many lawyers and CEO office types who have no idea what’s going on the ground are making decisions for everyday Americans.,..
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:38 am to fairweatherfans
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ALL LOBBIES
Let's start with the lobbies for seniors.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:42 am to NC_Tigah
Puhleez. You want real corruption put in term limits. Politicians would be putting themselves out to the highest bidder on day 2 of their term with high ranking career bureaucrats becoming incredibly wealthy.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 10:48 am
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:44 am to fairweatherfans
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Our US government has lied to us FOREVER
Is anybody disagreeing with this?
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:45 am to RohanGonzales
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Reciting the shite that the winners wrote means nothing.
I'm reciting shite that the slaveholders wrote.
"States' Rights"?
Not so much:
quote:
ARTICLE IV
Sec. 3
(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government
Slavery was a requirement to be a part of the Confederacy, states had no right to abolish it - as opposed to the United States of America, where the states DID have that right.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:59 am to CastleBravo
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Last I checked, republicans are not trying to punish me for other people's crimes (gun control) or allowing tranny sexual predators into my teenage daughter's volleyball locker room.
No, the good cop (R)s didn't directly create the Freak-anti-gun policies. But their reps are guilty of failing to push back at all against subversive (D) policies after and during the insanity.
That's called "gross negligence" and "willful disregard for duty". Then again, to still believe either party acts on behalf of "The People" welfare is adult Santa Claus-ism
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:14 am to High C
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the perspective of the North
The North fought to keep the Union. The South fought to keep the slaves.
The Republican party was going to abolish slavery in the United State of America. That was a fundamental plank of their political platform. That's why the southern states left before the Republicans actually took power, before they had a chance to abolish slavery.
quote:
The federal government has had a license to lie
Governments at all levels lie to us. It's up to us to remain vigilant.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:23 am to Harry Boutte
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The Republican party was going to abolish slavery in the United State of America. That was a fundamental plank of their political platform. That's why the southern states left before the Republicans actually took power, before they had a chance to abolish slavery.
The Republican Party of today does not resemble that Republican Party. To act like it’s the same party with the same values and goals is absurd.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:24 am to fairweatherfans
I agree with your post except for this ...
I've been an adult paying close attention to politics since LBJ. Dems lie about 5 times more than the GOP. And the gap is getting worse.
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.BOTH the Democrats and Republicans are equally guilty of this lying FOREVER.
I've been an adult paying close attention to politics since LBJ. Dems lie about 5 times more than the GOP. And the gap is getting worse.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:29 am to KiwiHead
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. take your meds and get the nurse to get you a clean pair of Depends, Gramps.
Allow me to translate this^^^^ comment.......,
I pledge allegiance to the DC Uniparty Globalist system of the world,
and to the corruption for which it stands, one nation under NWO Cultural Marxism, with oppression and authoritarianism for all.
:usa:This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 11:59 am
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:30 am to fairweatherfans
Politicians are looking out for themselves so there is no motivation to fix anything. They’ll talk about it, but never do it!
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:37 am to Harry Boutte
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The Republican party was going to abolish slavery in the United State of America. That was a fundamental plank of their political platform.
No, the Republican Party was founded on preventing the SPREAD of slavery into the territories. This would allow them to abolish slavery at the federal level down the road, but even Lincoln said that he had no plans to abolish slavery where it already existed. After the events of the 1850’s, the South could not lend any credibility to Lincoln’s statement, thus, secession.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:38 am to 4cubbies
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To act like it’s the same party with the same values and goals is absurd.
I'm not acting in any way, I'm merely stating facts.
Lincoln was the first Republican president, and the southern states started to secede after he was elected, but before he took office. They did that because the writing was on the wall, so to speak, they knew what the goals of the Republican party were at the time. They were spelled out in the party platform leading up to the election.
The election of the liberal Republicans also proved that the electoral power had finally moved to the side of the non-slave states. No longer could the South bully the Congress with their over-inflated representation based in-part on their slave populations. The combined effort of the southern states couldn't overcome a concerted effort from the North any longer.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:40 am to fairweatherfans
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1) true campaign reform...no larger donation than 200.00
Why restrict people's ability to exercise their 1st Amendment rights?
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3) Term limits Senator,12 years Congressmen,8 years
There's no need for this, just vote them out.
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