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re: Physics Question re Good/ICE Incident
Posted on 1/14/26 at 8:52 pm to Warboo
Posted on 1/14/26 at 8:52 pm to Warboo
The "ICE Tactic"
Recent events, particularly a fatal 2026 shooting involving an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer in Minneapolis, have brought this issue into sharp focus. Critics and policing experts have referred to the agent's actions as a pattern or "tactic" that has been used in previous incidents to justify shootings.
Key points regarding the "ICE tactic":
Pattern of Behavior: Videos of multiple incidents suggest a pattern where agents swarm vehicles and then shoot, justifying their actions by claiming the vehicle was used as a weapon.
Policy Omission: Unlike many police departments, the use-of-force policy for ICE (part of the Department of Homeland Security) has lacked a clear instruction for officers to move out of the way of moving vehicles where feasible, an omission that is "at odds with generally recognized best practices in policing".
Legal Challenges: Federal courts analyzing deadly force claims consistently hold that an officer cannot justify a shooting solely by a danger the officer created themselves. The legal standard requires looking at the "totality of the circumstances" leading up to the use of force, including the officer's initial actions.
While federal officials have defended the shootings as justified acts of self-defense, many law enforcement experts and civil liberties advocates argue that intentionally creating an avoidable risk to then use lethal force is not a legitimate policing tactic.
Recent events, particularly a fatal 2026 shooting involving an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer in Minneapolis, have brought this issue into sharp focus. Critics and policing experts have referred to the agent's actions as a pattern or "tactic" that has been used in previous incidents to justify shootings.
Key points regarding the "ICE tactic":
Pattern of Behavior: Videos of multiple incidents suggest a pattern where agents swarm vehicles and then shoot, justifying their actions by claiming the vehicle was used as a weapon.
Policy Omission: Unlike many police departments, the use-of-force policy for ICE (part of the Department of Homeland Security) has lacked a clear instruction for officers to move out of the way of moving vehicles where feasible, an omission that is "at odds with generally recognized best practices in policing".
Legal Challenges: Federal courts analyzing deadly force claims consistently hold that an officer cannot justify a shooting solely by a danger the officer created themselves. The legal standard requires looking at the "totality of the circumstances" leading up to the use of force, including the officer's initial actions.
While federal officials have defended the shootings as justified acts of self-defense, many law enforcement experts and civil liberties advocates argue that intentionally creating an avoidable risk to then use lethal force is not a legitimate policing tactic.
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Posted on 1/14/26 at 8:53 pm to Clark14
Not a single link was provided that day.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 8:58 pm to Jbird
Aww Cmon guys….its so simple maybe you need a refresher course…..its all shooting the tires nowadays. - Fletch.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 8:59 pm to jammajin
Ball bearings were so yesterday.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 9:05 pm to dat yat
quote:Yes
The SUV didn't visibly decelerate during impact, but the ICE officer shure changed velocity...doesn't that matter more than the vehicle's change in velocity?
Posted on 1/14/26 at 9:17 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
Physics answer to why Good is gone...she fluxed around and found out
Posted on 1/14/26 at 9:33 pm to TBoy
quote:
assuming the agent was hit at all,
You people. I guess you far leftie cult conspiracy theorists will demand to see his medical records to prove the internal issues he got from getting hit.
Go knock on the door of one of the officers that was doxxed today, and tell him what you think of them.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 9:56 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
f=ma aka force = mass x acceleration.
Acceleration in the case of a collision is more about the direction of movement than increasing velocity.
Think of two cars hitting head in. Both have cruise control set at 60 mph. Although neither is accelerating (increasing velocity) when the two impact there is acceleration/deceleration relative to the direction they were moving.
If Good's vehicle was moving at 2 mph at the exact moment she struck the officer the amount of force at the initial impact would be the same if her speed were constant or not. The difference would be in the split second between initial impact and the time his body is bounced back. If she was accelerating then due to inertia, that increase in velocity would be transferred to the officer as his body is knocked backward away from the vehicle (for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction).
Acceleration in the case of a collision is more about the direction of movement than increasing velocity.
Think of two cars hitting head in. Both have cruise control set at 60 mph. Although neither is accelerating (increasing velocity) when the two impact there is acceleration/deceleration relative to the direction they were moving.
If Good's vehicle was moving at 2 mph at the exact moment she struck the officer the amount of force at the initial impact would be the same if her speed were constant or not. The difference would be in the split second between initial impact and the time his body is bounced back. If she was accelerating then due to inertia, that increase in velocity would be transferred to the officer as his body is knocked backward away from the vehicle (for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction).
This post was edited on 1/15/26 at 6:45 am
Posted on 1/14/26 at 9:59 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
I think you missed the experiment part.
Why don’t you stand in front of my truck while I accelerate and we can get some empirical evidence…
Why don’t you stand in front of my truck while I accelerate and we can get some empirical evidence…
Posted on 1/14/26 at 10:05 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
why are violent leftists allowed to post here?
if it was violent conservatives, the message board police would be sky screaming to high heaven and it would be plastered all over twitter and the others
if it was violent conservatives, the message board police would be sky screaming to high heaven and it would be plastered all over twitter and the others
Posted on 1/14/26 at 10:34 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
I've got a physics question for you RelentlessAnalysis;
when the car impacted the other car and pole, it did 2 things which were on camera ;
1.)came to a sudden stop
2.)the rear end hopped a couple feet off the ground
If a 50 lbs dog was in the middle seat, and the impact of the car was 15mph, and the tilt of the dogs seat was 8 degrees to the rear, did the dog move more horizonally or vertically
when the car impacted the other car and pole, it did 2 things which were on camera ;
1.)came to a sudden stop
2.)the rear end hopped a couple feet off the ground
If a 50 lbs dog was in the middle seat, and the impact of the car was 15mph, and the tilt of the dogs seat was 8 degrees to the rear, did the dog move more horizonally or vertically
Posted on 1/14/26 at 10:39 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
Because she didn't drive 2 miles. It was inches in a split second. I'm not gonna do the math but since you're self proclaimed as relentless with analysis I'm sure you'll get back to me with the math.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 11:04 pm to Barstools
quote:
split second
This is the key part, you can use the impulse momentum transfer.
The Cars Mass times Velocity divided by the impact time.
Impact time was extremely short, the cars mass was really large.
So even at a low speed there will be force transfer.
https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/car-crash-force
Here is an online car crash calculator.
For a 200 lb man involved in a car crash at 5 mph, it is similar to a compression of 1200 lbs on your chest for a moment.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 6:13 am to TBoy
quote:
There's also the fact that, assuming the agent was hit at all, it was not a direct blow
T-Soyboy always with the denial. you suck dude GTFO of here with your garbage
Posted on 1/15/26 at 6:17 am to Clark14
No link just AI bullshite. Everyone knows you can't think for yourself.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 6:23 am to RelentlessAnalysis
quote:
RelentlessAnalysis
Not worth my time, didn't read
Posted on 1/15/26 at 6:32 am to Harry Rex Vonner
quote:
why are violent leftists allowed to post here?
if it was violent conservatives, the message board police would be sky screaming to high heaven and it would be plastered all over twitter and the others
Posted on 1/15/26 at 6:38 am to RelentlessAnalysis
The PT is definitely not a place for physics questions
Posted on 1/15/26 at 6:44 am to LSUTANGERINE
quote:Nonetheless, the OP received correct answers to the question posed. He just did not like those answers
The PT is definitely not a place for physics questions
Posted on 1/15/26 at 6:48 am to RelentlessAnalysis
The force equation is mass x acceleration. There seems to be confusion regarding acceleration, though. This not the acceleration of the vehicle in the sense of depressing the gas pedal.
For the force equation the use of acceleration, even if the driver had let off on the gas pedal, would be the change in velocity from the movement at the time of impact to the officer who is, relative to the vehicle, virtually standing still, over a matter of microseconds times the mass of the vehicle.
In other words the vehicle relative to the motionless officer is still accelerating even if the vehicle is slowing down.
For the force equation the use of acceleration, even if the driver had let off on the gas pedal, would be the change in velocity from the movement at the time of impact to the officer who is, relative to the vehicle, virtually standing still, over a matter of microseconds times the mass of the vehicle.
In other words the vehicle relative to the motionless officer is still accelerating even if the vehicle is slowing down.
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