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re: Scott Ritter says peace talks between Russia and Ukraine are over.
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:17 am to boosiebadazz
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:17 am to boosiebadazz
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yeah, the average Ukrainian is totally fighting for this reason. Not Russian tanks rolling into their city.
The average ukrainian has already fled or bribed the local conscript board to stay out of this war.
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Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:18 am to Timeoday
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If I am correct, aren't the Ukrainians fighting to protect their debauchery?
Or to protect their homeland from invading Russians.
But you will say whatever you can to seem edgy.
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:34 am to TBoy
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Or to protect their homeland from invading Russians.
Debauchery, grift, corruption, etc. I could go on and on. I can promise you I have met far more Ukrainians in my life than you have in yours.
I only use the word "debauchery" because it covers a wide area of malfeasance. But you are right, I am edgy, Tboy!!
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:38 am to LuckyTiger
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The average ukrainian has already fled or bribed the local conscript board to stay out of this war.
Then who are the “millions” dying?
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:44 am to Bunk Moreland
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I think Z legitimately wanted peace when he took office, then these guys and the State Department threatened him.
I agree. I also don't think Putin ever intended to overtake Ukraine and figured this wouldn't have lasted very long.
The escalation has been the west pushing Zylenski. IMHO
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:44 am to Timeoday
One could argue that Ukrainian, Russian, and Belarusian debauchery is roughly equivalent.
But there is a big difference in invading their neighbors.
But there is a big difference in invading their neighbors.
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:45 am to boosiebadazz
Ukrainians.
I know the Democratic line is to be Pro-Ukraine, but Ukraine has never had the upper hand in this situation.
And they can not win this war.
At this point, Putin will simply keep it up until they can no longer resist.
I know the Democratic line is to be Pro-Ukraine, but Ukraine has never had the upper hand in this situation.
And they can not win this war.
At this point, Putin will simply keep it up until they can no longer resist.
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:51 am to Gaspergou202
If I am Russia and NATO is advancing I let NATO know I will level Ukraine and make it uninhabitable for at least 3 decades on a day the wind is blowing west.
NATO encroachment and western corruption is why we are here!! Thank God I am not Russia. Get the US out of NATO and the UN now, I say!!
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:51 am to riccoar
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but Ukraine has never had the upper hand in this situation.
Agreed. They’ve been invaded by the third most powerful country in the world.
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And they can not win this war.
Depends on how you define a win. Kiev in (not) three days is already a win. Wagner Group disintegrating is already a win.
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At this point, Putin will simply keep it up until they can no longer resist.
Maybe, but as the most powerful country in the world getting a chance to degrade the third most powerful country without losing a single US serviceman, this is a deal I’m willing to make.
This post was edited on 9/25/25 at 8:52 am
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:52 am to GumboPot
The Pedo who led an incompetent weapons inspection team. is credible?
Posted on 9/25/25 at 9:04 am to riccoar
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I know the Democratic line is to be Pro-Ukraine, but Ukraine has never had the upper hand in this situation.
And they can not win this war.
At this point, Putin will simply keep it up until they can no longer resist.
Privacy
I asked Grok to provide the Russia/Ukraine war from the Western and Russian perspective.
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From a Western lens, the conflict is often portrayed with an expectation of rapid, decisive outcomes, influenced by media narratives and historical comparisons to modern, high-intensity wars (like U.S.-led campaigns in Iraq or Afghanistan). Western analyses initially expected Russia to overrun Ukraine swiftly due to its larger military and resources, and when this didn’t happen, narratives shifted to highlight Russian military failures or Ukrainian resilience. This perspective often focuses on frontline battles, territorial gains, and high-profile events (e.g., major offensives or weapon deliveries).
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From a Russian perspective, the approach appears more multifaceted and protracted. Russia’s strategy, as articulated through its actions and official statements, combines direct military engagement with Ukrainian forces and a broader effort to consolidate control over occupied territories. This includes:
Direct Military Conflict: Russia engages Ukrainian troops along active frontlines, particularly in eastern and southern Ukraine (e.g., Donbas, Kherson). This involves conventional warfare—artillery, armor, and infantry operations—aimed at grinding down Ukrainian defenses and securing strategic areas.
Police and Administrative Actions in Occupied Territories: Behind the frontlines, Russia has implemented measures to solidify control, which can be likened to a "police action" or occupation governance. This includes:
Establishing pro-Russian administrations in occupied regions (e.g., Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson).
Conducting referendums to legitimize annexation (widely criticized as illegitimate by the West).
Suppressing dissent, targeting resistance movements, and enforcing Russification policies (e.g., issuing Russian passports, changing curricula, or controlling media).
Maintaining security through paramilitary or police-like forces to counter insurgency or partisan activities.
Russia’s approach reflects a longer-term strategy, rooted in historical Soviet and Russian doctrines of controlling territory through both military and administrative means. Unlike the Western expectation of a quick campaign, Russia appears prepared for a war of attrition, aiming to wear down Ukrainian resistance while integrating occupied areas into its sphere.
These differing lenses create contrasting narratives: the West often emphasizes Ukrainian agency and Russian setbacks, while Russia frames its actions as a methodical operation to secure “historically Russian” lands and neutralize threats.
This post was edited on 9/25/25 at 9:05 am
Posted on 9/25/25 at 9:06 am to LuckyTiger
Why does this have so many downvotes? Do we not believe all women anymore?
But some gargoyle that I wouldn’t even have sex with accuses Trump of rape and it’s automatically true. Very strange
But some gargoyle that I wouldn’t even have sex with accuses Trump of rape and it’s automatically true. Very strange
Posted on 9/25/25 at 9:15 am to GumboPot
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Scott Ritter
Judge Napolitano went from Fox to having sex offenders on his pod
Posted on 9/25/25 at 9:22 am to bignuss18
The contrast between two major conflicts involving the United States, both in terms of diplomatic engagement and the allocation of military resources, is stark and very interesting.
In the Israel–Gaza conflict, the prevailing objective of the dominant side appears to be the eradication or displacement of the opposing population, amounting to an effort at ethnic cleansing or even genocide.
In the Russia–Ukraine conflict, by contrast, the primary aim of the victorious side is the defeat of the adversary’s military forces, the seizure of territory, and the subsequent assimilation of the surviving population into the political and social framework of the conquering state.
Posted on 9/25/25 at 9:26 am to Timeoday
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If I am correct, aren't the Ukrainians fighting to protect their debauchery?
Not theirs but that of their rulers.
Posted on 9/25/25 at 9:28 am to GumboPot
quote:So, the Russian invasion was justified? What other countries should be invaded?
If I am correct, aren't the Ukrainians fighting to protect their debauchery?
Protect their grift. It's a key location where Western money can get cleaned up and fund off the books intelligence operations.
Posted on 9/25/25 at 9:28 am to Seldom Seen
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If I am correct, aren't the Ukrainians fighting to protect their debauchery?
Not theirs but that of their rulers.
Sounds similar to what Trump is doing with the Epstein files, no?
Posted on 9/25/25 at 9:29 am to LB84
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Let’s bring all the freedom loving Ukrainian women here.
So they can get killed by our native criminals? They’re probably safer in the war zone than in our cities.
Posted on 9/25/25 at 9:30 am to AlxTgr
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So, the Russian invasion was justified? What other countries should be invaded?
I'm not calling for any invasions.
Posted on 9/25/25 at 9:30 am to GumboPot
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