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re: Sec Hegseth addresses Mark Kelly’s seditious behavior… it’s a start
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:27 am to tigerfan 64
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:27 am to tigerfan 64
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Do the dems have a judge Boasberg in the Pentagon?
Look for his activation if they do.
I'd also check on whether he belongs to the Hollywood SAC. Seriously. It's all ultimately run by the same org.
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Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:31 am to Placekicker
Should get a dishonarable discharge at the minimum. There should also be no service members in the US congress. That is a conflict of interest in so many ways and the congress job is a full time thing. Those that win election should be required to resign their commission before taking oath of office.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:40 am to EphesianArmor
When did the term Secretary of War come back?
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:41 am to Placekicker
2026 may be the year of the FO
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:43 am to roguetiger15
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2026 may be the year of the FO
2026 is the year of the Fire Horse...
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:46 am to TheDeathValley
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When did the term Secretary of War come back?
When the Bolton-inspired MIC decided "Dept of Defense" wasn't scary or lucrative enough for brand new empire-building war escapades?
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:47 am to TheDeathValley
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When did the term Secretary of War come back?
They changed the DOD to the DOW sometime in 2025
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:55 am to Placekicker
Holy shite, it's happening
Posted on 1/5/26 at 11:04 am to Scream4LSU
You are not going to like the outcome of this. Although we want to see him cuffed, that's not happening - Why? Because he is still an active US Senator and there's some stupid fricking loophole that lets him off the hook - Yes, it is bullshite but there isn't much more Trump, Hegseth or anyone else can do about it :(
He will get a heavy heavy heavy slap on the wrist, but that's about it :(
He will get a heavy heavy heavy slap on the wrist, but that's about it :(
This post was edited on 1/5/26 at 11:05 am
Posted on 1/5/26 at 11:11 am to Placekicker
Considering Kelly recently called the Venezuela operation unconstitutional, the logical conclusion is that he believes service members should have refused the orders given in Venezuela.
He should be asked to reconcile the two.
He should be asked to reconcile the two.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 11:12 am to TheDeathValley
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When did the term Secretary of War come back?
Dude. Not an insult, but I think you have a bit of catching up to do.
I want Schumer to just keep talking. He looks more ridiculous and hypocritical every time he does.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 11:16 am to GRTiger
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He should be asked to reconcile the two.
The congress should censure him and make distinguish between the two statements.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 11:16 am to tadman
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Those that win election should be required to resign their commission before taking oath of office.
They're usually retired or resigned beforehand anyway.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 11:29 am to FLTech
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Because he is still an active US Senator and there's some stupid fricking loophole that lets him off the hook
Speech & Debate clause won't save him this time. He and the other Seditious Six made their little propaganda film on their own time. If they framed it as video excerpts from grandstanding episodes they conducted while on the floor of the House/Senate, then there would be a case for some kind of horse shite immunity, but that's not what they did.
SecWar specifically addressed Kelly's status as a sitting Senator as being immaterial to the subsequent investigation/proceedings.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 11:32 am to Placekicker
Hegseth told troops not to follow unlawful orders when Biden was president (while he was a FOX News host).
What’s the (D)ifference here?
What’s the (D)ifference here?
Posted on 1/5/26 at 11:59 am to RFK
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Hegseth told troops not to follow unlawful orders when Biden was president (while he was a FOX News host).
Can you cite the exact quote?
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What’s the (D)ifference here?
Sitting senator or a tv host. You don’t know the difference?
Posted on 1/5/26 at 12:05 pm to Placekicker
What is the penalty for sedition?
Posted on 1/5/26 at 12:31 pm to Placekicker
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My sentiments exactly. And, done by the book. No made up charges. No rigged judiciary. By the book.
Was he actually charged with and found to be guilty of Sedition?
That’s an Argument…
Posted on 1/5/26 at 12:43 pm to Placekicker
However.... Guy asks Grok about it and the response says Pete needs to stfu.
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From Grok -
From constitutional and military law views, based on U.S. Code, court precedents, and expert analyses (e.g., CSIS, Yale Law Journal, SCOTUS rulings):
1. "Seditious" typically requires conspiracy with force (18 U.S.C. §2384); absent that, labeling Kelly's speech as such lacks clear basis and risks equating dissent with crime.
2. Hegseth's public actions may constitute unlawful command influence (10 U.S.C. §837), as commanders can't appear to coerce outcomes pre-process.
3. Punishing a Senator for oversight speech could breach separation of powers, as experts note military jurisdiction over legislators is limited (e.g., Lane v. Hall).
4. Selective targeting amid similar statements by others suggests potential viewpoint discrimination, implicating First Amendment protections.
5. UCMJ Arts. 133/134 apply to retirees receiving pay, but extending to political speech raises overreach concerns per free speech precedents (e.g., Parker v. Levy). This sets a precedent for executive use of military tools against political foes, potentially eroding civilian oversight and inviting reciprocal abuses across branches.
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