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re: Stupid so called centrists are why everything sucks
Posted on 2/19/26 at 1:36 pm to High Life
Posted on 2/19/26 at 1:36 pm to High Life
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Why would you take junk food off of snap? Junk food is cheap and high calorie? It’s made from the most basic crappy ingredients. Corn, sugar, grains, oils. Horrible for you, but it’s shelf stable and will keep you alive. You want them eating chicken, steak and fresh produce?? That would cost way more
You've obviously never thought through the actual problems of subsidizing bad things via the government have you?
1. Well, first off all it's bad for you, as you admit, and it's easy and much of the ingredients create biological problems - sugar is naturally addicting, seed oils mess with gut biome/satiation, etc. So people eat and buy more, can tell when they are full, are addicted to sugar, etc.
2. Not only that, they create long term health problems across a wide portion of the population, which then impacts healthcare spend, doctor's visits etc.
3. You've also created a group, Big Food, that can use addicting, cheap things as a way to funnel money via those government subsidies. Their pocketbook is directly tied to government intervention, so they are incentivized to create and lobby for SNAP, to make sure "bad things" continue to go to a large portion of people, create addicts, influence politicians, etc. And since there is no control on that - THEY have control. The subsidy becomes a stable form of revenue for them, and a controllable one, so it must be protected. SO what do you do with that?
4. Oh look, let's target kids with marketing and hook them early, no limitations there either. Sugary breakfast cereal as a "complete" meal? Sign everyone up.
Boom. You've incentivized Corporate interests to create a pipeline of sugar addicts from an early age to create a stable flow of revenue from tax paying citizens, to the government, and into the hands of Big Food. You've given them a structure to replicate and control with money and power at a political level - and that structure is a net drain on society in multiple ways. But it is revenue and it is incentivized to increase not only the revenue - but creating more SNAP users themselves. Immigration. Decreasing focus on the family, etc. To improve this revenue, here's what you don't want - Two Stable parents who are conscious of food choices, have a stable home to actually make good purchasing decisions.
What you do want to incentivize, from the corporate end, is a two parent working household where the parents have no time to put together meals, so pop tarts and cereal and Kool Aid is the way. As a corporate industry, you want LESS STABILITY and less knowledge, and you will pursue creating that atmosphere with your billions of dollars.
So in one policy you have impacted - child health, health care, the balance of power over the food basket, lobbying and politicians, etc.
Congratulations. But if you are defending the centrist in this thread, and maybe lable yourself as a centrist, I'd see why you never actually think through the repercussions of this kind of policy.
This post was edited on 2/19/26 at 1:41 pm
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Posted on 2/19/26 at 1:38 pm to BarnHater
Not sure if you were of voting age then, but it was a different time. Bush II had us in 2 forever wars and the economy was terrible.
Not saying I would have voted the same way again but you had to be there if you know what I mean.
Not saying I would have voted the same way again but you had to be there if you know what I mean.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 1:39 pm to burger bearcat
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These are the people
Man, our founders said repeatedly that the government they formed would only work for a moral people. That’s the problem.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 1:49 pm to VolSquatch
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Though I do fear what the response is going to be from the left when they get power again
Back to open borders and shipping cities loads of welfare recipients, muslims, and gang bangers.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 2:30 pm to wackatimesthree
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limiting SNAP purchases to actual food and not uber-processed "food-like products?"
“Actual food” like Whole Foods? Meat, cheese, butter, milk and fresh produce is not only more expensive it’s not shelf stable. Requires more means for prepping and harder to make it last. That’s why they put pop tarts in MREs because it cost $5 for about two dozen, high calorie and they never go bad.
You can cut back on snap but the junk will always be the option the poors use. It’s literally made and marketed for them. Even if a politician ran on reform, Kelloggs and frito lay would buy them up quick.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 2:37 pm to burger bearcat
centrist (n): a weak-willed human who claims to be neither left nor right, but always sides with the left at the end of the day. See also: cuck or RINO
Posted on 2/19/26 at 2:48 pm to burger bearcat
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Dealing with a family member who thought the illegal alien issue was way out of control under Biden. But also simultaneously thinks ICE is bad and Trump is being too harsh. He says it’s too much trouble to deport once they are in, he also says the border wall is bad and useless (somehow holds both of these thoughts, I said if it’s useless then why is it bad?)
His views on immigration are hard left and idiotic, and will spell ruin for our nation. People on the left now say "Biden went too far" but they weren't saying that when Biden and Mayorkas were destroying the nation.
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He also talks about how bad the food supply and how much poison is in our food. And then when I talk about taking junk food off of SNAP, he says that’s just being mean and punitive.
He is right about this but probably not for the right reasons. Restrictions on SNAP will accomplish nothing. If they can do it for EBT purchases, in the name of health and public welfare, they can restrict your purchases as well, and they will. People are so torqued up about these idiots and their EBT haul videos, they can't see the logic being employed and how it will assuredly be turned on them.
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He also says things like “it’s both sides”, and that if a candidate simply runs as a “moderate” that actually makes them a moderate.
He's right that both sides are awful. Sounds like he's on the left but wants to mask his real ideology.
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These are the people that are going to vote for that twerp in the TX Senate race. And flip the mid terms to the Dems. They want the things, but don’t want to do what it takes to get the things. So therefor we can never actually do anything of any productive value.
It's not because of people like your family member - until you come to accept that virtually all Congressional Republicans hate Trump, hate MAGA, and despise the America First agenda, you will continue to beat your head against the wall when talking to people like your family member. Both parties are on the same side - the side that is adversarial to the Constitution and the people of this nation.
You must put some blame on Trump as well. He is historically bad with personnel, strategy, and course of action development. He's done OK at business negotiations, but that is not strategy. Very different things. He is awful at strategy and his personnel choices have once again been disastrous, starting with Susie Wiles(sp?).
DOGE should have captured smart reductions and trimming people that could retire and then no replacement hired; and, ICE should have been used in red areas, to push illegals into blue areas, allowing them to implode by midterms. Instead, Trump chose the least value gained while pissing off the most people.
Trump lost the youth vote by sucking off Israel. That and a general failing in the America First agenda is losing the independent vote.
Epstein stuff is hurting him badly. People on this board and Trump are really missing how much the Epstein stuff matters.
Iran could seriously backfire.
As bad as Biden pushed the youth and indy votes to the right, Trump is going to push them right back to the left.
Barnes goes off on a lot of the missteps from Trump. People like Susie Wiles(sp?) have to go.
12:50 Massie would get more votes as an indy candidate, than anyone since Ross Perot.
13:00 "a left populist message would crush in 2028, as long as it has as a key component in it, accountability for the Epstein Class..."
Posted on 2/19/26 at 2:50 pm to RFK
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Not saying I would have voted the same way again but you had to be there if you know what I mean
Was there. Was much better choices.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 3:10 pm to High Life
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You can cut back on snap but the junk will always be the option the poors use.
Beans are rice have good shelf life.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 3:15 pm to burger bearcat
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They want the things, but don’t want to do what it takes to get the things.
Yep, they demand burgers but also say you cant kill any cows.
The West is full of pussies.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 3:35 pm to Freauxzen
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You've obviously never thought through the actual problems of subsidizing bad things via the government have you?
1. Well, first off all it's bad for you, as you admit, and it's easy and much of the ingredients create biological problems - sugar is naturally addicting, seed oils mess with gut biome/satiation, etc. So people eat and buy more, can tell when they are full, are addicted to sugar, etc.
2. Not only that, they create long term health problems across a wide portion of the population, which then impacts healthcare spend, doctor's visits etc.
3. You've also created a group, Big Food, that can use addicting, cheap things as a way to funnel money via those government subsidies. Their pocketbook is directly tied to government intervention, so they are incentivized to create and lobby for SNAP, to make sure "bad things" continue to go to a large portion of people, create addicts, influence politicians, etc. And since there is no control on that - THEY have control. The subsidy becomes a stable form of revenue for them, and a controllable one, so it must be protected. SO what do you do with that?
4. Oh look, let's target kids with marketing and hook them early, no limitations there either. Sugary breakfast cereal as a "complete" meal? Sign everyone up.
Soft drinks are about a $400B industry. SNAP money is around $14B/yr in soda purchases. Thus, SNAP is about 3.5%, roughly. Let's round up and call it 5%.
All you've done is make an argument for them to ban soda for everyone. If it's so bad, and the vast majority is non-SNAP, then why would you not ban it for everyone? If you talk about medical costs, the response will be that the govt tends to pay less when it covers Medicare / Medicaid bills. Then, you're advocating for federalized healthcare.
You are creating an argument against choice, against freedom, and in favor of more Big Brother controlling your life.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 3:37 pm to burger bearcat
It’s called being a pussy. Knowing what needs to be done but not having the balls to do it.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 3:37 pm to burger bearcat
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Anyone on extreme sides of a political spectrum is why everything sucks
Fify
Posted on 2/19/26 at 3:41 pm to Flats
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That's exactly the group that DOES have pull in a hyper-partisan environment. Look at the trends; our elections are decided by the middle 15%-20% that's barely politically engaged. They vote on slogans and feels, and unfortunately their votes count.
Hate to break it to you buddy but neither party is on the side of the American people. They'll sell you out quicker than a cat can lick it's arse. Your vote means nothing to them
Posted on 2/19/26 at 3:44 pm to Mr Roboto
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Hate to break it to you buddy but neither party is on the side of the American people. They'll sell you out quicker than a cat can lick it's arse. Your vote means nothing to them
With that said, one party is much better for Americans than the other is
Posted on 2/19/26 at 3:46 pm to SNAP
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You are creating an argument against choice, against freedom, and in favor of more Big Brother controlling your life.
Want to eat shitty? Pay for it with what you earn. Dumb to subsidize diabetes with tax payer money.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 3:46 pm to burger bearcat
No the far flung 15% of either side are the reason everything sucks... They scare the other 85% of their side into bulldoging on to useless issues that they don't even agree with.
and the democrats killing bipartisanship when they sold out Bush41
and the democrats killing bipartisanship when they sold out Bush41
Posted on 2/19/26 at 4:10 pm to burger bearcat
People that call themselves moderates simply have no principles based on anything like the Constitution.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 4:20 pm to burger bearcat
My biggest problem with "moderates" and "independents" is that they are mostly poorly informed. By that I mean a combination of misinformed and/or under informed.
They seem to give left wing propaganda outlets the benefit of the doubt by considering them more moderated than equivalent right wing outlets. The large ratio of left wing to right wing outlets give the left wing outlets an appearance of being more "normalized" while the right wing outlets are "wing nut" from their perspective.
In reality the ratio does not exist because the left wing views deserve more merit, it's simply the fact that journalist tend to be left wing and are surrounded by other like minded leftists from high school all the way through their careers. Of course that results in media outlets largely aligning and even allying with the Democrat party. That is a huge problem and for some reason moderates are too dense to see it.
When push comes to shove they end up voting for the Democrat because the overwhelming voice of left wing propaganda nudged them in that direction.
They seem to give left wing propaganda outlets the benefit of the doubt by considering them more moderated than equivalent right wing outlets. The large ratio of left wing to right wing outlets give the left wing outlets an appearance of being more "normalized" while the right wing outlets are "wing nut" from their perspective.
In reality the ratio does not exist because the left wing views deserve more merit, it's simply the fact that journalist tend to be left wing and are surrounded by other like minded leftists from high school all the way through their careers. Of course that results in media outlets largely aligning and even allying with the Democrat party. That is a huge problem and for some reason moderates are too dense to see it.
When push comes to shove they end up voting for the Democrat because the overwhelming voice of left wing propaganda nudged them in that direction.
This post was edited on 2/19/26 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 2/19/26 at 4:21 pm to KCT
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Sounds like your family member could sit around and argue with himself all day.
Nailed it. He has no convictions if he's being this obtuse as OP describes.
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