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re: Treblinka II...any WW2 experts on here know much about this topic?
Posted on 7/3/25 at 5:21 pm to Keltic Tiger
Posted on 7/3/25 at 5:21 pm to Keltic Tiger
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then had them placed on log & railroad ties pyramids & burned till nothing was left but ashes.
This is where the science becomes questionable. It takes 1400-1800 degrees to turn bone to ash. A large bonfire can reach 2000 degrees at the center, but the plume can be as low as 600. There are a lot of bones that would not be turned to ash.
You simply can't hide the deaths of millions or even hundreds of thousands. These stories were invented to explain why mass graves weren't found that would justify the supposed death toll.
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Posted on 7/3/25 at 5:26 pm to El Eh Shu
There are no mass graves at Treblinka, read what happened there and why there are not mass graves.
The German knew they were losing the war, and dug up the bodies and burned them, and then to cover up the cover up they killed the slave labor and burn their bodies.
The ashes are then spare out over a large area and trees planed on that land.
The ground has been tested and confirmed what is recorded in history.
The Germans did this everywhere as they pulled out of the occupied lands
There were a very few of those living that helped burned the bodies from mass shooting in Russia, they escaped by pure chance when the guards killed those laborers. There is a good program on digging up the dead in Russia and burning the bodies. But the Germans did not have time to burn or recover all the bodies.
It is also part of the German program to plan trees over the ash.
The German knew they were losing the war, and dug up the bodies and burned them, and then to cover up the cover up they killed the slave labor and burn their bodies.
The ashes are then spare out over a large area and trees planed on that land.
The ground has been tested and confirmed what is recorded in history.
The Germans did this everywhere as they pulled out of the occupied lands
There were a very few of those living that helped burned the bodies from mass shooting in Russia, they escaped by pure chance when the guards killed those laborers. There is a good program on digging up the dead in Russia and burning the bodies. But the Germans did not have time to burn or recover all the bodies.
It is also part of the German program to plan trees over the ash.
This post was edited on 7/3/25 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 7/3/25 at 5:26 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
They used railroad, rails to burn bodies on.
This post was edited on 7/3/25 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 7/3/25 at 6:08 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
"Stories invented to explain....." So explain where all those millions of missing Jews went? There are many stories, letters from German soldiers to families back home, confirming these acts. Not Jews, not "winners of the war", German soldiers who participated writing their wives & parents with blunt details. You can easily find numerous books on these letters from Einsatzgruppen killers. How exactly do you know what these bonfires' heat degrees were? Any clue as to how long these bonfires burned? A lot of the bodies still had body fat & that fat increased the degrees of heat. There are many claims, based on your "science", that there was no way that many Jews could have been gassed & burned each day in Auschwitz. Yet, Rudolf Hoss', commandant of Auschwitz, own diary confirms the number of millions of murders he was responsible for at the death camp. Funny, but sad, how many deniers hide behind their interpretations of science.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 6:20 pm to Keltic Tiger
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So explain where all those millions of missing Jews went
This is probably the strongest argument in support of the numbers, although I haven't dived deeply into the reports. Sort of the same reason why it's unlikely that a missile hit the Pentagon and not a plane. How else do you explain the missing humans.
Now whether or not there are six million individual missing persons reports from 1940s Jewish families, I don't know.
However I still don't see how you burn a million bodies with virtually no physical evidence of that scale. No doubt people died at Treblinka. A lot of people. But close to a million? It's just hard to see how.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 6:21 pm to Keltic Tiger
Keltic Tiger
The best part is the list from the Hungary and Dutch Jews sent to the camp are out there for all to research.
Those lists are over 400,000 names, gives the date arrived at the camp, and the date of death for all of them form what I heard.
The names of those on the list are being published on the web and a picture of the person if they have one and date of death.
Those lists are from the summer of 1944, and that famous photo album is of one of the trains that arrived at Auschwitz. About 80% of those arriving at the camp are killed in the gas chamber that day.
We know the names of many of those victims on the train and have identified many of them, most where gassed that day.
The best part is the list from the Hungary and Dutch Jews sent to the camp are out there for all to research.
Those lists are over 400,000 names, gives the date arrived at the camp, and the date of death for all of them form what I heard.
The names of those on the list are being published on the web and a picture of the person if they have one and date of death.
Those lists are from the summer of 1944, and that famous photo album is of one of the trains that arrived at Auschwitz. About 80% of those arriving at the camp are killed in the gas chamber that day.
We know the names of many of those victims on the train and have identified many of them, most where gassed that day.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 6:27 pm to Sam Quint
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Now whether or not there are six million individual missing persons reports from 1940s Jewish families, I don't know.
There are.
We kill 36 million cattle.
Every year.
It's easy to get rid of carcasses.
Especially if it's industrialized.
We cremate about 2 million people every year.
Those people are just dust.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 6:47 pm to Narax
6 million is after adjustments. The number was more than double in the beginning. Matter of fact, at one point the number of news killed at camps was larger than the number of jews that existed.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 6:48 pm to Narax
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Especially if it's industrialized.
A big bonfire of railroad ties and bodies isn't industrialized.
The "there is zero chance anything happened than exactly as the history reports" crowd is almost as obnoxious as the hardcore deniers. It's weird to be that certain of something that has so much room for error of falsehoods
Posted on 7/3/25 at 7:01 pm to Sam Quint
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The "there is zero chance anything happened than exactly as the history reports" crowd is almost as obnoxious as the hardcore deniers. It's weird to be that certain of something that has so much room for error of falsehoods
What are you saying, it was 5.8 Million?
Or you think it could have been less than a million?
Posted on 7/3/25 at 7:01 pm to Sam Quint
Trump will destroy this clown
Posted on 7/3/25 at 7:42 pm to Sam Quint
Sam Quint,
Really you're in a war and you are producing railroad ties; you are not going to use them to burn bodies.
Think before posting.
The Germans had to use mass lots of railroad ties daily by the summer of 1944 to replace the damage done to railroad switching yard and main lines.
Really you're in a war and you are producing railroad ties; you are not going to use them to burn bodies.
Think before posting.
The Germans had to use mass lots of railroad ties daily by the summer of 1944 to replace the damage done to railroad switching yard and main lines.
This post was edited on 7/3/25 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 7/3/25 at 8:59 pm to Narax
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What are you saying, it was 5.8 Million? Or you think it could have been less than a million?
I'm saying I don't know and I think there is room to question some of it. It might have been three million, six million, or nine million. I'm just saying that it seems unlikely that you could burn a million bodies with railroad ties and leave virtually no evidence. But I also accept that maybe it IS possible, I just don't see how.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 9:01 pm to tigger1
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Really you're in a war and you are producing railroad ties; you are not going to use them to burn bodies. Think before posting. The Germans had to use mass lots of railroad ties daily by the summer of 1944 to replace the damage done to railroad switching yard and main lines.
I thought that was the story? Someone else said that originally, I just repeated it. How did they get rid of the bodies at Treblinka?
Your writing style is very difficult to understand.
This post was edited on 7/3/25 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 7/3/25 at 9:27 pm to Sam Quint
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I'm saying I don't know and I think there is room to question some of it. It might have been three million, six million, or nine million.
https://www.yadvashem.org/archive/hall-of-names/database.html
We do have 4.5 million names.
When you consider that some villages were totally wiped out the 5 to 6 million makes sense.
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I'm just saying that it seems unlikely that you could burn a million bodies with railroad ties and leave virtually no evidence. But I also accept that maybe it IS possible, I just don't see how.
While disturbing we could do it today.
Creosote has been used to treat railroad ties.
If you build the fire right I bet we could get it to 1400 degrees.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 9:31 pm to Sam Quint
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I thought that was the story?
It is the story. The SS had massive pyres created by laying railway ways atop concrete or stone supports. The rails were used like a grate for air circulation to feed the fire from below. We know this because we have eyewitness testimony from survivors who exhumed and laid the bodies as well as from surviving Nazi correspondence and orders.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 9:35 pm to RollTide1987
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The rails were used like a grate for air circulation to feed the fire from below.
Yup they are chemically treated so they can go well over 1000 degrees.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 9:38 pm to Sam Quint
There is a video out there with the breakdown of the size of the facilities at Auschwitz and the reported numbers of people killed there.
All the math is gone through. It is interesting.
All the math is gone through. It is interesting.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 10:21 pm to GREENHEAD22
The leaders of the groups of the Einsatzgruppen killing squads, like typical Germans, kept meticulous logs of their murders, numbers. locations, etc for their period of killing in the East. These logs were forwarded regularly to Himmler & were subsequently produced as legal evidence at the Einsatzgruppen trials post war. These are verifiable numbers, & as for further evidence of their reliability these group leaders were doctors, lawyers, professors..... i.e highly intelligent & competent professionals. As for the numbers of people murdered in the Holocaust by the Nazis being hard to comprehend, believe, nothing about the Holocaust would ever been imagined prior to the war. Who would have ever guessed that 30,00+ Jews would be marched into a ravine at Babbi Yar & murdered by members of
the German 6th Army? And Karma being Karma, it was the 6th Army that was decimated at Stalingrad.
the German 6th Army? And Karma being Karma, it was the 6th Army that was decimated at Stalingrad.
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