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re: Two things can be true at the same time
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:31 pm to mwade91383
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:31 pm to mwade91383
"blatant errors and inaccuracies"
1) what are the blatant errors and inaccuracies in the post you linked to?
2) irrespective of #1, why does posting something like this prevent a thorough investigation of the situation?
1) what are the blatant errors and inaccuracies in the post you linked to?
2) irrespective of #1, why does posting something like this prevent a thorough investigation of the situation?
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:35 pm to ArHog
I don’t know how many times the saying was used here on this board, rightfully so, “don’t believe my lying eyes” when countless things were said/ done by the Biden administration.
I don’t need my daddy to tell me what I should believe…. I can see with my eyes and make a perfectly good judgement without someone telling me what happened bc what I see with my own eyes isn’t true.
I don’t need my daddy to tell me what I should believe…. I can see with my eyes and make a perfectly good judgement without someone telling me what happened bc what I see with my own eyes isn’t true.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:37 pm to Bwmdx
quote:
Imagine going to work where people are threatening to kill you, kill your kids, dox your house, throw bricks at your head, attack you and blow those fricking rape whistles in your ear. I would be a little on edge trying to my job and worried I’m gonna get brained at any moment.
Imo it's why it's hard to care. These guys are expected to be perfect robots. They are walking into hell on earth, and they're expected to be 100% perfect. It's ridiculous.
I don't feel bad that things ended poorly for a reckless protestor.
This is going to get scrutinized and grilled into oblivion while the conditions that led to it - massive illegal immigration & direct mutiny from state & local governments refusing to enforce laws already on the books for years - will be conveniently left out of the conversation
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:38 pm to ragincajun03
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The dude had every right to have a gun on him.
this is correct, barring any previous felony arrest (which nothing has been said exists)
however, at the point he was actively interfering with and then fighting a law enforcement agent, that right was eliminated.
at the point there is a struggle, and someone yells "gun" all bets are off as you now are dealing with split second decisions..you hear a gunshot, you react... right or wrong, you don't have the benefit to analyzing the situation.....
whole situation ceases to happen if you carry you gun, but stand on the sidelines, out of the way and protest/observe, ect.....
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:38 pm to Ag Zwin
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You can be for the strategy and enforcement while also admitting mistakes in execution.
i completely agree with this LEO acted in the wrong in both situations*. I have no problem with either officer facing consequences, same as Chauvin.
but... I simply do not care. the * above is because some idiot decided that they needed to involve themselves physically in something that could had been handled legally after the fact.
I'm sad anybody dies. I don't want anybody to die ever, but my ire just doesn't rise when stupid people die doing stupid things. I'm sad for their families and friends, but that's it.
i say this as the most bleeding heart pro-human Christian you can imagine. All life is valuable, but some people decide to forfeit it.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:38 pm to CatahoulaCur
I'm all pro ICE, but the video of this shooting looks horrendous for those agents. Caught up in the moment and it looks like it was purely an accident. Problem is, those agents are liable for this accident and I'm sure their training will be called into question a lot.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:39 pm to CatahoulaCur
"I can see with my eyes and make a perfectly good judgement"
so is it your position that you saw with your own eyes an unjustifiable act on behalf of LEO in the shooting on Sat?
If so, can you specifically tell us:
1) your definition of "unjustifiable".
2) which act(s) rose to that level in the dynamic situation as a whole? bonus points if you will do so for both the unalive participant as well as LEO.
so is it your position that you saw with your own eyes an unjustifiable act on behalf of LEO in the shooting on Sat?
If so, can you specifically tell us:
1) your definition of "unjustifiable".
2) which act(s) rose to that level in the dynamic situation as a whole? bonus points if you will do so for both the unalive participant as well as LEO.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:40 pm to jammajin
Start by clicking on the tweet and read the community note. It’s literally right in front of you and I even said as much.
Come on man.
Come on man.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:43 pm to CatahoulaCur
Funny, ICE is doing the same thing in other states that are not currently under indictment for some of the biggest most egregious fraud the country has seen, and they are not being attacked physically and hindered by Antifa where they have to defend themselves.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:44 pm to jammajin
There are videos that show pretty clearly what happened. The video with the LEO walking away what is described as the gun before the shots start, is/ was the most damning to me.
I’m not saying any one person is to blame, the problem is when you’re trying to over justify your own position bc you feel like if you lose this one battle that you lose the war… it isn’t true.
Dying on a hill that’s morally hard for most people to swallow, does affect your ability to win the war.
I’m not saying any one person is to blame, the problem is when you’re trying to over justify your own position bc you feel like if you lose this one battle that you lose the war… it isn’t true.
Dying on a hill that’s morally hard for most people to swallow, does affect your ability to win the war.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:45 pm to mwade91383
I see. Community notes.........
so you got nothing then except "community notes" and "bad PR".
got it.
your input will continue to get the attention it so richly deserves.
so you got nothing then except "community notes" and "bad PR".
got it.
your input will continue to get the attention it so richly deserves.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:47 pm to CatahoulaCur
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I agree with you 100%, but it’s disingenuous to say that’s what happened. There were 8 BP agents around him. You can see from the video that the gun was gone and this guy was a threat to no one at that point.
And even if you are “impeded from doing your job”, which a strong argument can be made this was the case, that’s NOT the legal standing to use your own weapon.
Is that your version?
My version is he would still be alive if he would have stayed home and not decided to play anarchist.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:47 pm to CatahoulaCur
thanks but none of that answers my question.
what is your definition of "unjustifiable"
what did you see with your own eyes about the actions of either the person who was shot, or anyone else individually involved in the video(s) you reference that rise to your definition of "unjustifiable"?
thanks
what is your definition of "unjustifiable"
what did you see with your own eyes about the actions of either the person who was shot, or anyone else individually involved in the video(s) you reference that rise to your definition of "unjustifiable"?
thanks
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:48 pm to jammajin
The irony of you complaining about “panicans” not waiting for an investigation while rejecting credible evidence because vibes, is not lost on me
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:50 pm to mwade91383
I don't recall doing either.
since you can't speak for yourself on the item you posted would you like to point to where I complained about "panicans" instead?
Or do you just make shite up as you go along here? wait, don't answer that's rhetorical.
since you can't speak for yourself on the item you posted would you like to point to where I complained about "panicans" instead?
Or do you just make shite up as you go along here? wait, don't answer that's rhetorical.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:51 pm to ragincajun03
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Is he a moron for behaving the way he did?
What did he do to justify what happened to him? Filming agents at a distance, trying to help a woman who was pushed down and pepper sprayed, getting thrown to the ground and beaten in the head with a pepper spray can, laying face down hands out while his weapon was taken away then being shot 10 times for nothing. He wasn’t fighting, he was getting his arse kicked.
But you have been told how to think so go with that I guess. Or you could watch the videos and see the truth, but you won’t.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:51 pm to CatahoulaCur
What is also true is that if local law enforcement and elected officials don't rein in the crazies, then the likelihood of incidents like we have seen increase exponentially.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:55 pm to Clark14
What did he do to justify what happened to him
would you, today, make all the choices he made from the time he got up until the time he was shot 10 times?
do you believe all those choices were good smart justifiable choices? were they all legal choices?
do you believe he has ANY culpability in what happened to him?
would you, today, make all the choices he made from the time he got up until the time he was shot 10 times?
do you believe all those choices were good smart justifiable choices? were they all legal choices?
do you believe he has ANY culpability in what happened to him?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:56 pm to jammajin
Oh that was a different poster I was initially responding to, my bad, I take that back!
But your criticism of the community notes based on vibes doesn’t hold up. Read them if you must. Which correction do you take issue with?
But your criticism of the community notes based on vibes doesn’t hold up. Read them if you must. Which correction do you take issue with?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:57 pm to mwade91383
I'm not talking to "community notes" I'm talking to you. If you have something to answer my questions with do so. If not, don't
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