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re: US Military vs The Cartels
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:54 pm to Lord of the Hogs
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:54 pm to Lord of the Hogs
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Yeah I agree. I think we would definitely kill some cartel people, but only rando foot soldiers that are easily replaced
You are mistaken. The US could take out whichever cartel head they place a target on. Especially now with good leadership in place .
This would never be an all out invasion, IF anything develops along these lines it would be surgical strikes by CIA contractors or Special Forces such as Delta.
The Mexican military not the cartels have the same capabilities as our military.
It's silly to even compare.
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Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We just spent 20 years, trillions, and tens of thousands of dead US soldiers learning this lesson, and we already want to do it again?
Hell no we didn't, we (hopefully) learned the lesson about nation building. We can take out enemies of the US with a joystick; that's not expensive or risky.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:56 pm to Flats
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we (hopefully) learned the lesson about nation building. We can take out enemies of the US with a joystick; that's not expensive or risky.
But when those enemies come back as soon as you leave, you end up with nation building (or something similar).
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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But when those enemies come back as soon as you leave, you end up with nation building
Nope, that's not a requirement.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:58 pm to Lynxrufus2012
Give me 25,000 ground troops and a couple of squadrons of Warthogs, and they wouldn't find enough pieces of cartel members to fill a fricking pinata.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 6:59 pm to td01241
Man they don’t even need to worry about F22s.
If I were them I’d be worried about A10s and B52s.
If I were them I’d be worried about A10s and B52s.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:02 pm to TrueTiger
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How many operational bombers and fighter jets does the Cartel have?
How many did the Taliban have?
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:04 pm to fr33manator
Fair, but unlike those other conflicts, we have a HUGE geographical advantage that we haven’t seen in a war in 200 years.
Unlimited jump off points and supplies from the good ole’ US of A.
Unlimited jump off points and supplies from the good ole’ US of A.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:04 pm to Flats
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Nope, that's not a requirement.
But new operations will form. We all agree on that, right?
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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But when those enemies come back as soon as you leave, you end up with nation building (or something similar).
That didn't happen with FARC.
It didn't happen in the Greek Civil War.
It didn't Happen in Malaysia
It didn't happen in Kenya.
Iraq is actually stabilizing.
Sometimes (often) it works.
Stabilizing the massive country next to us is far different than hopping to rando Middle Eastern country.
This post was edited on 2/7/25 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:07 pm to uziyourillusion
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How many did the Taliban have?
The Taliban is halfway around the world.
The cartel is in our backyard.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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But new operations will form.
Sure, so I'm back to my question about organized crime (hell, any crime) in the US. You want us to take the same approach?
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:13 pm to POTUS2024
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However, the cartels are vitally dependent on two things: freedom of maneuver within Mexico, and easy access to the US. If we put the military on the border, there is no longer access to the US. We don't have to put boots on the ground to disrupt and deny their freedom of maneuver within Mexico. If the cartels can't maneuver in Mexico and gain access to the US, they cannot exist.
Until the dead bodies are shown 24/7 and "we" lose our stomachs once again.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:16 pm to BlueFalcon
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For cartel members, there’s no comparable motivation.
But arent the cartels going to fight to the death?
its either win or sentenced to life / decades in Guantanamo, American Max Security prison or El Salvador.
You think they're OK losing their wealth and political power? There's no peace negotiation to be had.
They also know from history that American citizens can only stomach war and US troop deaths for just a few years, they could just decide to bunker down
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:18 pm to KiwiHead
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So Prince can go in and steal some money and coke for himself. You guys have no idea about the sociopaths that abound in Special Forces.
What a dumbass response lol
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:20 pm to RelicBatches86
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They also know from history that American citizens can only stomach war and US troop deaths for just a few years, they could just decide to bunker down
Dude we spent 20 years in Afghanistan.
We are still in Iraq.
Don't hold your breath.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:22 pm to TackySweater
The US military can completely decimate the cartels in 3-4 hours with a coordinated.,, take no prisoners… air assault.
No fricking around sending troops through small towns and up dirt roads. I’m talking tomahawks followed my gunships to kill everything left moving.
It would be the highest of death all over the countryside. All over before lunchtime.
No fricking around sending troops through small towns and up dirt roads. I’m talking tomahawks followed my gunships to kill everything left moving.
It would be the highest of death all over the countryside. All over before lunchtime.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:23 pm to uziyourillusion
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How many operational bombers and fighter jets does the Cartel have?
The Taliban had the fundamental ideological commitment that allowed them to survive decades of hardship while still recruiting people to join their cause.
Cartel loyalty is bought, not earned through ideology or shared belief. Once the money stops flowing, whether from drug sales, human trafficking, or other illegal activities, their so-called "soldiers" will have no reason to stay and fight. Unlike groups with ideological or religious motivations, cartel members aren't willing to die for a greater cause; they're in it for personal gain. Once paychecks stop, desertion becomes rampant, and the organization collapses from within.
While the Cartels are powerful in their specific context, thriving on corruption, fear, and exploiting weak governance, they don’t have the strategic depth, infrastructure, or logistical capabilities needed to sustain a conflict against a military force like the U.S. For the Cartels to truly stand a chance against the U.S., they would need significant backing from a major global power, such as Russia or China.
The Cartels also lack popular support that every successful insurgency has relied upon. Most Mexicans despise the cartels for the violence, corruption, and suffering they cause. While they might not welcome a U.S. military presence, they’re unlikely to rally behind the cartels as freedom fighters. Unlike groups like the Taliban, which draw on deep cultural and religious motivations, cartels are purely profit-driven. Once the money stops flowing, their fighters have no reason to remain loyal.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:24 pm to Lynxrufus2012
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They are really frigging stupid. Good luck fighting against satellite imagery, cruise missiles, drones followed by F-35s, F-15s, B-52s, B-1Bs then A-10s, Apaches and then the C-130 gunships. If there is anything left good luck with the Bradley’s and Abram’s and even scarier a pissed off bunch of GIs. We wouldn’t even need the B-2s or F-22s.
We don’t even need half that. F-18s or 16s can be used for air to land missions and A-10s and Apache’s for air support for units on the ground. That would be all that’s needed to hammer them. I’m not saying they’re not well equipped, but they have no way of combating any of this. I don’t think the cartels have any air to air assets. They could afford some but that would make the target on their backs much bigger.
Posted on 2/7/25 at 7:26 pm to JColtF
Yeah…because we have no experience in fighting native insurgents over the last 25 years.
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