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re: What is your take on atheism?
Posted on 6/25/25 at 11:59 am to thermal9221
Posted on 6/25/25 at 11:59 am to thermal9221
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Atheism is not a permanent belief.
It’s a transition from believing in a religion (and realizing nobody knows what the frick they’re talking about in regards to an afterlife) to agnosticism.
Agnosticism is very different from atheism.
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Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:01 pm to BuckI
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Jesus loves them too.
This is not true in the way this gets used.
There is absolutely NO part of the bible that backs this up. It's taking the general love of God for all and distorted it. Love does not always mean comfort and support, any good parent should understand this.
Instead it says the opposite. Jesus will tell many of you he knows you not.
What is more accurate however is that he can be forgiven for his sins. Although this is more complicated than the church would have you believe.
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We are all brothers and sisters.
Yes and no. Yes ultimately(provided they have a soul), no in the sense of who we serve. As Jesus would say - they have a different father, the father of lies, etc.
Although sometimes I do wonder about soulless beings. But I figure that refers often to corporations and possibly AI soon.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:01 pm to RoDee
As a Christian that believes in election and reprobation, they are part of our spiritual ecosystem.
I just think... "but for God, so would I"
I just think... "but for God, so would I"
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:01 pm to BuckI
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Jesus loves them too.
True
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We are all brothers and sisters
Not true.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:06 pm to RoDee
The mind attempts to find answers to things it either doesn't know or doesn't understand. It's also natural to be skeptical about "easy" explanations.
God, seems to be an easy explanation, because there's no way of proving His existence. Don't have an answer for something? God did it.
The thing is, God, is just as good an answer as anything else. There are many things we don't know. People can't even give an explanation as to how human beings built the Pyramids in Egypt. We just know they exist.
We accept that humans built them, but we have no workable explanation (as we cannot recreate them even on a minor scale using the tools they would have access to.)
Physics and mathematics help us understand the natural world, but even these things are akin to "A" language of the universe (not THE language.) However, they are incomplete. There are obvious gaps in our understanding. At some point, a leap of faith must be made. Just because a person accepts God as an explanation of the unknown does not mean that person rejects all other explanations. Both can exist at the same time.
When it all comes down to it; I believe that God wants us to thrive and understand the universe. That only gives a greater appreciation for the vastness of creation and how lucky we are to be alive and part of His plan.
Sometimes, the answer is right in front of us, but we need to accept the answer instead of rejecting it.
I've read books on Atheism and they would tell you it's a rejection of belief. They assert that the onus of proof of God is on the theist and not the atheist.
I just say that the proof is all around us, but that will never satisfy an atheist. They would simply say that there are perfectly good explanations for everything. They just haven't been discovered yet. (I would argue that they were discovered, but many have forgotten them or rejected them.)
I would say that there are no "true" atheists. Their framework is built off of contrarianism and uncomfortable realities. Sometimes, people just need to go on their own quest for truth.
God, seems to be an easy explanation, because there's no way of proving His existence. Don't have an answer for something? God did it.
The thing is, God, is just as good an answer as anything else. There are many things we don't know. People can't even give an explanation as to how human beings built the Pyramids in Egypt. We just know they exist.
We accept that humans built them, but we have no workable explanation (as we cannot recreate them even on a minor scale using the tools they would have access to.)
Physics and mathematics help us understand the natural world, but even these things are akin to "A" language of the universe (not THE language.) However, they are incomplete. There are obvious gaps in our understanding. At some point, a leap of faith must be made. Just because a person accepts God as an explanation of the unknown does not mean that person rejects all other explanations. Both can exist at the same time.
When it all comes down to it; I believe that God wants us to thrive and understand the universe. That only gives a greater appreciation for the vastness of creation and how lucky we are to be alive and part of His plan.
Sometimes, the answer is right in front of us, but we need to accept the answer instead of rejecting it.
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Atheism is a belief.
I've read books on Atheism and they would tell you it's a rejection of belief. They assert that the onus of proof of God is on the theist and not the atheist.
I just say that the proof is all around us, but that will never satisfy an atheist. They would simply say that there are perfectly good explanations for everything. They just haven't been discovered yet. (I would argue that they were discovered, but many have forgotten them or rejected them.)
I would say that there are no "true" atheists. Their framework is built off of contrarianism and uncomfortable realities. Sometimes, people just need to go on their own quest for truth.
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:13 pm to RoDee
Never met a real atheist, most are really agnostic.
When someone tells me they are an atheist, I reply as follows: I noticed you are a very intelligent person.
Let's suppose for the sake of discussion that you either have or have access to half of all knowledge that exists..would you agree to that? EVERYONE has said yes. Then, is it not possible that God exist in the half of knowledge that you know nothing about. If honest, they say yes. Then you are not an atheist but agnostic
When someone tells me they are an atheist, I reply as follows: I noticed you are a very intelligent person.
Let's suppose for the sake of discussion that you either have or have access to half of all knowledge that exists..would you agree to that? EVERYONE has said yes. Then, is it not possible that God exist in the half of knowledge that you know nothing about. If honest, they say yes. Then you are not an atheist but agnostic
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:15 pm to RoDee
There are no atheists in foxholes.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:17 pm to RoDee
I feel sorry for unbelievers
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:18 pm to RoDee
I have a few uh, let's just say devout Atheists at my office. They always whine and complain about other religions while their main complaint is that other religions are always preaching on to others..
I've determined that atheism is a cult/religion. The irony is one of my coworkers just found out last week I am Catholic. Sort of funny, complete lack of self-awareness. Religion people are always so preachy, but I've been there 10 years hearing atheists preach and saying nothing.
I've determined that atheism is a cult/religion. The irony is one of my coworkers just found out last week I am Catholic. Sort of funny, complete lack of self-awareness. Religion people are always so preachy, but I've been there 10 years hearing atheists preach and saying nothing.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:21 pm to LRB1967
quote:God's message has been spread far and wide, around the globe. People have free will, if they choose to not believe in God, I don't feel sorry for them and their decision.
I feel sorry for unbelievers
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:21 pm to RoDee
There was a great book written in the mid 2000s called "Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution"
The author was an atheist and biochemist until he started to asses the evolution of eye sight from a single celled organism to modern animals.
Hint: It's statistically impossible to have that many successful mutations that are selected at a biochemical level to produce both the chemical and neural pathways for vision.
Credentials of the author Michael Behe
I am Professor of Biological Sciences at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania. I received my Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the University of Pennsylvania in 1978. My current research involves delineation of design and natural selection in protein structures. In addition to teaching and research I work as a senior fellow with the Discovery Institute's Center for Science & Culture.
In addition to publishing over 35 articles in refereed biochemical journals, I have also written editorial features in Boston Review, American Spectator, and The New York Times. My book, Darwin's Black Box, discusses the implications for neo-Darwinism of what I call "irreducibly complex" biochemical systems and has sold over 250,000 copies. The book was internationally reviewed in over one hundred publications and recently named by National Review and World magazine as one of the 100 most important books of the 20th century.
I have presented and debated my work at major universities throughout North America and England.
The author was an atheist and biochemist until he started to asses the evolution of eye sight from a single celled organism to modern animals.
Hint: It's statistically impossible to have that many successful mutations that are selected at a biochemical level to produce both the chemical and neural pathways for vision.
Credentials of the author Michael Behe
I am Professor of Biological Sciences at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania. I received my Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the University of Pennsylvania in 1978. My current research involves delineation of design and natural selection in protein structures. In addition to teaching and research I work as a senior fellow with the Discovery Institute's Center for Science & Culture.
In addition to publishing over 35 articles in refereed biochemical journals, I have also written editorial features in Boston Review, American Spectator, and The New York Times. My book, Darwin's Black Box, discusses the implications for neo-Darwinism of what I call "irreducibly complex" biochemical systems and has sold over 250,000 copies. The book was internationally reviewed in over one hundred publications and recently named by National Review and World magazine as one of the 100 most important books of the 20th century.
I have presented and debated my work at major universities throughout North America and England.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:21 pm to RoDee
Everyone worships something. It may be a God. It maybe money. But, everyone worships something.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:22 pm to RoDee
Atheism is just another “ism” with no proof to back it up.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:23 pm to Schleynole
Where did God come from?
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:24 pm to omegaman66
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Everyone worships something. It may be a God. It maybe money. But, everyone worships something.
Or self.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:28 pm to RoDee
I'm a skeptical atheist. While I don't believe that there is a God, at least not to the extent necessary for worship, I'm completely cognizant of the fact that I could be wrong. That's why I would never look down on those who do believe as stupid. They're actually the lucky ones. I wish I could believe as it would make things much easier, but I can't.
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:28 pm to SEC. 593
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Where did God come from?
He's not confined to time
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:29 pm to RoDee
I don’t believe in it.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:29 pm to DownSouthJukin
Exactly self fits into the category of "something".
Posted on 6/25/25 at 12:29 pm to Ricardo
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I've read books on Atheism and they would tell you it's a rejection of belief.
It's a rejection of a particular belief. They just end up substituting their own worldview (and the requisite system of morality) for one they rejected.
One of the definitions of "religion" is that it's a system of beliefs that people hold to with some degree of passion. Most people are religious in that sense.
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