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Posted on 5/31/21 at 6:34 pm to Revelator
Our resident Dems don’t give the impression they have a lot of tolerance for dissent from their progressive dogma.
I think OPs point has merit.
I think OPs point has merit.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 8:15 pm to Revelator
They mistakenly think that we won’t fight back and start offing them.
Once they understand this, things will change. Maybe worse, maybe better.
Once they understand this, things will change. Maybe worse, maybe better.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 8:18 pm to bhtigerfan
Honest answer is the Dems don't really know where it ends. They let their feelings guide them and they have no idea where that's going. People who think analytically, with reason and purpose, like Conservatives, have a destination. Libs go wherever the woke breeze blows them.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 8:19 pm to RadicalRedhead
I think we’re at the Apathy stage. They’re pushing for the Dependence stage next.
Then Bondage, then the Bullets Start Flying stage. Hope I’m not too old by this stage.
Then Bondage, then the Bullets Start Flying stage. Hope I’m not too old by this stage.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 8:21 pm to CelticDog
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there are no communists in democrat positions.
none.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 12:18 am to CelticDog
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Strict Islamic and Communist countries
stop exaggerating your misunderstanding of progressive ideas.
there are no communists in democrat positions.
none.
Several prominent democrats have supported totalitarian measures while blatantly violating their own rules. A democrat in congress even called to make it illegal to make fun of her and her other stupid colleagues online. Many Democrats' words and actions support an all-powerful government class that rules over and restricts the freedoms of the average person, which was the point of the OP.
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you ok with taming costs of pharmaceuticals or not.
Yes, which is why I supported Trump. Biden immediately cancelled Trump's EO that lowered certain essential medications. Obama allowed the FDA, after being paid off by big pharma, to declare that asthma inhalers were no longer exempt from the Montreal Protocol. Costs went up 40% as they were able to repackage the same medicines under a new patent. Under Trump, the FDA approved several new generics for these medicines.
If you want drug costs to lower, then you are stupid for voting for Biden. As a president that made his wealth out of office, Trump was not beholdened to lobbyists like the filth you support.
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you ok with free public community college or not?
No. It is already cheap and loans and grants are readily available. No one is not attending community college simply because they can't afford it.
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talk issues
He did. You ignored all the issues he brought up about democrats supporting censorship and punishment for wrongthink and instead focused on labels which were only used as comparisons.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:28 am to CelticDog
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CelticDog
Who did you vote for?
Posted on 6/1/21 at 7:29 am to Revelator
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Where does the leftist path we are now on end?
Something like this........
Given this background, one could infer, if one did not know it already, the general structure of Oceanic society. At the apex of the pyramid comes Big Brother. Big Brother is infallible and all-powerful. Every success, every achievement, every victory, every scientific discovery, all knowledge, all wisdom, all happiness, all virtue, are held to issue directly from his leadership and inspiration. Nobody has ever seen Big Brother. He is a face on the hoardings, a voice on the telescreen. We may be reasonably sure that he will never die, and there is already considerable uncertainty as to when he was born. Big Brother is the guise in which the Party chooses to exhibit itself to the world. His function is to act as a focusing point for love, fear, and reverence, emotions which are more easily felt toward an individual than toward an organization. Below Big Brother comes the Inner Party, its numbers limited to six millions, or something less than two per cent of the population of Oceania. Below the Inner Party comes the Outer Party, which, if the Inner Party is described as the brain of the State, may be justly likened to the hands. Below that come the dumb masses whom we habitually refer to as "the proles," numbering perhaps eighty-five per cent of the population. In the terms of our earlier classification, the proles are the Low, for the slave populations of the equatorial lands, who pass constantly from conqueror to conqueror, are not a permanent or necessary part of the structure.
In principle, membership in these three groups is not hereditary. The child of Inner Party parents is in theory not born into the Inner Party. Admission to either branch of the Party is by examination, taken at the age of sixteen. Nor is there any racial discrimination, or any marked domination of one province by another. Jews, Negroes, South Americans of pure Indian blood are to be found in the highest ranks of the Party, and the administrators of any area are always drawn from the inhabitants of that area. In no part of Oceania do the inhabitants have the feeling that they are a colonial population ruled from a distant capital. Oceania has no capital, and its titular head is a person whose whereabouts nobody knows. Except that English is its chief lingua franca and Newspeak its official language, it is not centralized in any way. Its rulers are not held together by blood ties but by adherence to a common doctrine. It is true that our society is stratified, and very rigidly stratified, on what at first sight appear to be hereditary lines. There is far less to-and-fro movement between the different groups than happened under capitalism or even in the pre-industrial ages. Between the two branches of the Party there is a certain amount of interchange, but only so much as will ensure that weaklings are excluded from the Inner Party and that ambitious members of the Outer Party are made harmless by allowing them to rise. Proletarians, in practice, are not allowed to graduate into the Party. The most gifted among them, who might possibly become nuclei of discontent, are simply marked down by the Thought Police and eliminated. But this state of affairs is not necessarily permanent, nor is it a matter of principle. The Party is not a class in the old sense of the word. It does not aim at transmitting power to its own children, as such; and if there were no other way of keeping the ablest people at the top, it would be perfectly prepared to recruit an entire new generation from the ranks of the proletariat. In the crucial years, the fact that the Party was not a hereditary body did a great deal to neutralize opposition. The older kind of Socialist, who had been trained to fight against something called "class privilege," assumed that what is not hereditary cannot be permanent. He did not see that the continuity of an oligarchy need not be physical, nor did he pause to reflect that hereditary aristocracies have always been short-lived, whereas adoptive organizations such as the Catholic Church have sometimes lasted for hundreds or thousands of years. The essence of oligarchical rule is not father-to-son inheritance, but the persistence of a certain world-view and a certain way of life, imposed by the dead upon the living. A ruling group is a ruling group so long as it can nominate its successors. The Party is not concerned with perpetuating its blood but with perpetuating itself. Who wields power is not important, provided that the hierarchical structure remains always the same.
George Orwell 1984 Part 2 Chapter 9
Posted on 6/1/21 at 7:33 am to Revelator
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Where does the leftist path we are now on end?
If they keep going left we'll end up back where we started......as the WH Mouthpiece says "we'll circle back to it"
Posted on 6/1/21 at 7:34 am to Revelator
Genocide
Posted on 6/1/21 at 8:40 am to Revelator
The American Left is as Radical as we've ever seen here in the USA. Their potential is limitless - they will never stop advocating further and further Leftist progress over everyone and everything. That's my thought on that.
My other thought is that China herself relies greatly on the people here in the USA as a potential market for China's manufactured goods. The USA is now a service-industry nation, rather than a country that manufactures things.
China can't afford to allow the American Left to completely collapse the US economy, because if the people here in the USA are too poor to buy anything from China, China will suffer. As such, my hope is that CHINA can stop the American Left from pulling us over of the cliff. CHINA may be the USA's best hope to stop the American Left.
Perhaps China can serve in this moderating role, because, I have seen absolutely NOTHING domestically that has the power to slow down the American Left, much less to stop the American Left.
IMHO, the USA is beyond the phase in which it can help itself. That phase of US History in which the USA has the ability to self-assess and self-correct is now in the past, IMHO.
Many will disagree with me, and, I respect their opinions. Time will tell whose guess is more correct.
My other thought is that China herself relies greatly on the people here in the USA as a potential market for China's manufactured goods. The USA is now a service-industry nation, rather than a country that manufactures things.
China can't afford to allow the American Left to completely collapse the US economy, because if the people here in the USA are too poor to buy anything from China, China will suffer. As such, my hope is that CHINA can stop the American Left from pulling us over of the cliff. CHINA may be the USA's best hope to stop the American Left.
Perhaps China can serve in this moderating role, because, I have seen absolutely NOTHING domestically that has the power to slow down the American Left, much less to stop the American Left.
IMHO, the USA is beyond the phase in which it can help itself. That phase of US History in which the USA has the ability to self-assess and self-correct is now in the past, IMHO.
Many will disagree with me, and, I respect their opinions. Time will tell whose guess is more correct.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 8:42 am
Posted on 6/1/21 at 8:49 am to RadicalRedhead
Posted on 6/1/21 at 9:45 am to Spawn
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The rise of a statist system that rivals present day Russia
Do you see Transgenderism and CRT taught in Russian schools? NO...it's forbidden. It will be much worse than anything in Russia. BTW..the USSR collapsed in 1991. Russia is not a communist nation.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 9:49 am to Eurocat
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A classless society
As you have no class to begin with, I understand how you are on board.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 10:02 am to Revelator
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Where does the leftist path we are now on end?
Followed by
and resulting in
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 10:03 am
Posted on 6/1/21 at 10:36 am to Revelator
I know exactly what we aren't allowed to talk about and it's not Islam or China or Communists.
I almost feel like everybody is pretending like they haven't noticed.
Maybe they haven't noticed, hidden in plain sight and nobody notices smh.
I almost feel like everybody is pretending like they haven't noticed.
Maybe they haven't noticed, hidden in plain sight and nobody notices smh.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 10:38 am
Posted on 6/1/21 at 10:39 am to basspig
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I know exactly what we aren't allowed to talk about and it's not Islam or China or Communists.
I almost feel like everybody is pretending like they haven't noticed.
Maybe they haven't noticed, hidden in plain sight and nobody notices smh.
Care to elaborate?
Posted on 6/1/21 at 10:52 am to Revelator
Progressives' "path" has no end - the end is off the edge of the cliff.
Think of them as people following a metaphorical Joker.
Think of them as people following a metaphorical Joker.
Posted on 6/1/21 at 10:54 am to Eurocat
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Utopia.
Modern, Western capitalism IS the human utopia.
Your way is more *ahem* "complicated".
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A classless society.
The only way to do this is to make (most) everyone equally miserable, with a very small elite who live better.
That's the outcome every time "classless" has been tried.
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