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re: Stop with the moral victory bullshite
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:21 am to VADawg
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:21 am to VADawg
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By not scoring and losing in the round of 16 once again?
That’s all you took away from this?
We didn’t qualify for the last World Cup and made the knockouts while giving spot minutes to the only person in our squad with actual World Cup experience. Most teams this young do not even qualify for the World Cup.
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Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:21 am to LSU316
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If we had a Memphis type player this team would have been considered pretty deadly by many I think.
If Jozy or Dempsey were our 9 we would be better than all but 3-4 teams in this WC
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:23 am to VADawg
Look I’m the furthest thing from a Gregg fan on this board, and I’m upset we lost a winnable game.
But we objectively played well. The Dutch definitely got their chances, but it was not one way traffic and it was not like they toyed with us.
It came down to like four chances a piece in the box, we fell asleep a couple of times and they capitalized. We didn’t finish. That’s what sucks about knockout football.
The biggest long term issue with this team is no number nine. Gregg has to be fired if he’s going to keep trotting out mls trash with our best players on the bench, because he refuses to play a false nine or figure out a way to get Reyna on the field instead of ferraira.
But we objectively played well. The Dutch definitely got their chances, but it was not one way traffic and it was not like they toyed with us.
It came down to like four chances a piece in the box, we fell asleep a couple of times and they capitalized. We didn’t finish. That’s what sucks about knockout football.
The biggest long term issue with this team is no number nine. Gregg has to be fired if he’s going to keep trotting out mls trash with our best players on the bench, because he refuses to play a false nine or figure out a way to get Reyna on the field instead of ferraira.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:24 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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mean, we were never going to win the World Cup. We showed well today, but Holland was definitely more clinical in the final third.
every single touch is clinical, that’s the difference
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:24 am to VADawg
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By not scoring and losing in the round of 16 once again? It's obvious the talent is better, and there is some creativity on the field, but no one has any fear of a barrage of USA goals.
Not all losses are equal. We played on the front foot today and showed we belong. Chance creation was equal, and the more experienced team with better strikers happened to be more clinical today.
This game was nothing like how we lost to Belgium in 2014. The progress is evident. 2026 will be the true measuring stick.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:25 am to cwil177
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The goal of this team was to change the way the world views American soccer. They 100% did this.
In what way? I’m truly curious about this. I’m not trying to be argumentative here, but we finished 2nd in a group where most expected us to do that and were the first team eliminated from the Round of 16 after some serious defensive breakdowns.
Results-wise, I’d say that most of the rest of the world would have expected just that.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:32 am to VADawg
I think some of you fail to appreciate how much improvement it takes to go from being a top 20 team in the world to a consistent too 10 team. It’s a vertical slope for each marginal tier.
Belgium and Germany didn’t get out of the group and they are both top 5 teams globally. You can’t disregard the quality it takes to even get to the round of 16.
Belgium and Germany didn’t get out of the group and they are both top 5 teams globally. You can’t disregard the quality it takes to even get to the round of 16.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:33 am to blowmeauburn
It was funny to hear pay for play bitching about the system on air when it was the main reason they were on the team in the past. 
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:33 am to GeauxColonels
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In what way? I’m truly curious about this. I’m not trying to be argumentative here
I appreciate it, things can get heated around here, especially after an emotional loss.
The way we played against England opened a lot of eyes. The Twitter buzz around the world about our midfield especially, and Pulisic, was incredibly positive. I think this game will also help that perception.
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 11:35 am
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:34 am to GeauxColonels
Because the expected results raise and we met them?
I think 2026 the expectations have to be quarter finals or deeper. We’ll see how good the team truly becomes…we may even have expectations of semis with it being at home.
I think 2026 the expectations have to be quarter finals or deeper. We’ll see how good the team truly becomes…we may even have expectations of semis with it being at home.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:35 am to unctiger4
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This game was nothing like how we lost to Belgium in 2014
If Wondo puts away that chipshot, it would have been one of the most improbable wins I've ever seen in any sport.
The team is clearly better now than they were then, but the results didn't change. Results have to matter, eventually.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:36 am to cwil177
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The way we played against England opened a lot of eyes. The Twitter buzz around the world about our midfield especially, and Pulisic, was incredibly positive. I think this game will also help that perception.
Maybe so. I still think England are overrated and feel like much of the world agrees…..but we’ll see how they handle the knock-outs.
The midfield definitely caught the attention of a lot of people, myself included. I’m just not sure that changes the overall perception of American soccer on a worldwide scale.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:38 am to VADawg
We went from not qualifying for the WC to losing to a better squad in the knockouts. You are just looking for negatives.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:00 pm to lynxcat
Most people are dude.
I’m a subscriber to scuffed podcast and get access to the discord and the call in show. It’s 95% diehards, and the call in show right now is overwhelmingly positive but bemoaning our players falling asleep defensively and us failing to capitalize on our opportunities. Overall people are optimistic about the future and not too torn up about the loss. TD can get very reactionary and negative compared to other forums, and people here seem less likely to change their views once well-entrenched.
I’m a subscriber to scuffed podcast and get access to the discord and the call in show. It’s 95% diehards, and the call in show right now is overwhelmingly positive but bemoaning our players falling asleep defensively and us failing to capitalize on our opportunities. Overall people are optimistic about the future and not too torn up about the loss. TD can get very reactionary and negative compared to other forums, and people here seem less likely to change their views once well-entrenched.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:08 pm to blowmeauburn
These are young kids, and they played hard. It's okay to applaud that in the process of calling out issues. Managing was poor. CBs were poor. We have no one at the top who can finish consistently with all of the good balls played in.
We could have done better, but a lot of great teams were sent home in the group stage. Our group had all top 20 teams. It's not a peak showing, but give me a break. This isn't high school sports. It's the World Cup. The Dutch are a solid team. Beating up the young players for not being "up to par" with high expectations is what England does, and it severely impacts their play.
We could have done better, but a lot of great teams were sent home in the group stage. Our group had all top 20 teams. It's not a peak showing, but give me a break. This isn't high school sports. It's the World Cup. The Dutch are a solid team. Beating up the young players for not being "up to par" with high expectations is what England does, and it severely impacts their play.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:16 pm to VADawg
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If Wondo puts away that chipshot, it would have been one of the most improbable wins I've ever seen in any sport.
It would have been so improbable because we were completely played off the pitch by Belgium. That didn’t happen today against a team of similar quality.
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The team is clearly better now than they were then
Agreed, and this should be the main takeaway from the last two weeks. Massive, massive improvement from the last two cycles.
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but the results didn't change. Results have to matter, eventually
International soccer is probably the highest variance sport out there. Teams like Germany and Uruguay didn’t get out of their group (Germany didn’t advance in 2018 either). Italy and Columbia missed the tournament altogether. Germany had the most quality chances created of any team in the group stage. The margins are razor thin in this sport and particularly this tournament. If the U.S. continues on our current trajectory we’ll be in good shape.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:17 pm to LSU316
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without a true 9
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a Memphis type player
Well, which one? Those two things are different.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:18 pm to lynxcat
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think some of you fail to appreciate how much improvement it takes to go from being a top 20 team in the world to a consistent too 10 team. It’s a vertical slope for each marginal tier. Belgium and Germany didn’t get out of the group and they are both top 5 teams globally. You can’t disregard the quality it takes to even get to the round of 16.
Exactly right, but is Gregg coaching in that reality or is he trying to coach as if we already have that ability?
All of this talk of changing the way the world views American soccer?
What does that mean?
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:20 pm to unctiger4
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International soccer is probably the highest variance sport out there. Teams like Germany and Uruguay didn’t get out of their group (Germany didn’t advance in 2018 either). Italy and Columbia missed the tournament altogether. Germany had the most quality chances created of any team in the group stage. The margins are razor thin in this sport and particularly this tournament. If the U.S. continues on our current trajectory we’ll be in good shape.
I agree 100%. People don't realize that this isn't like most sports we compete in internationally where we're either the clear best or there's another. Pretty much every team at a World Cup is capable of beating any other team. There are exceptions, but for the most part, you can't count anyone out of any match. We got out of a group with all top 20 teams playing one of the youngest squads.
There are changes that need to be made, but overall, we're in good shape after missing the last one.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:29 pm to blowmeauburn
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Stop with the moral victory bullshite
This would be easier to digest if it WAS a moral victory.
This was a shite-the-bed moment. This was a big stage for a young group, and they played like a young group who'd never been there before.
Poor choices in front of goal, and forgetting the basics (man marking inside the 18) on defense.
That's it.
Finish a couple of directly in front of goal chances (Pulisic, Ream, Wright) AND frickING MARK SOMEBODY and this is match we win.
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