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re: Why can’t the US ever turn the corner?
Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:24 pm to bad93ex
Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:24 pm to bad93ex
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What could a Tyreek Hill type player do if he had some ball handling skills?
Some? Lol, he'd be a version of the insanely fast English winger who had no end-product. A Tyreek Hill type player needs to have elite ball skills in order to actually use his athletic advantage. Otherwise, that type of player is already an existing genre, of which few are ever able to develop, because their athletic skills outweigh their technical skills.
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Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:26 pm to crazy4lsu
Look up Usain Bolt's soccer career.
This post was edited on 11/21/22 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:28 pm to Mike Joyce
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We do well considering Soccer is our 7th most popular Sport. Soccer is the number one sport in just about every other country at this World Cup.
Also our best athletes choose other sports first so Soccer is left with the scraps. Imagine if guys like Lebron and the Gronk chose to focus on Soccer? We would pretty much unstoppable.
But there is no guarantee that a 6'8 player could even control the ball at the necessary level. In soccer, you generally select for players that have the stamina to withstand both games and training. That can include a wide range of height types, and since what is paramount is not athletic ability, but ability with the ball at their feet, you need elite training programs to ensure these players can actually maximize their athletic ability.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:30 pm to bless u boys
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Look up Usain Bolt's soccer career.
I'm well aware. He definitely wasn't elite enough to make it on his technical ability alone.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:31 pm to crazy4lsu
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Some? Lol, he'd be a version of the insanely fast English winger who had no end-product. A Tyreek Hill type player needs to have elite ball skills in order to actually use his athletic advantage. Otherwise, that type of player is already an existing genre, of which few are ever able to develop, because their athletic skills outweigh their technical skills.
I think Americans still don’t realize this because for football and basketball speed and strength can overcome a lot of technical deficiencies. Andrea Pirlo wasn’t fooling anyway that he was a world class athlete, but his technical ability was so insane that he was a generational player. So could Tyreke Hill be a great winger, sure, but it’s not because he’s just a speedster.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:34 pm to crazy4lsu
My bad. Was just using as an example of the fastest athlete in the world (who also has some soccer abilities) not translating to being a top player.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:40 pm to lionward2014
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I think Americans still don’t realize this because for football and basketball speed and strength can overcome a lot of technical deficiencies.
Exactly.
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Andrea Pirlo wasn’t fooling anyway that he was a world class athlete, but his technical ability was so insane that he was a generational player.
And we tend to underrate stamina as athletic ability. To be able to cover the distances required in the sport is insane.
We also had a generational player in terms of height, stamina and physical ability in Michael Bradley. What he didn't have was elite technical ability, which is why he isn't going to be regarded as a once-in-a-generation player.
The only thing that ultimately makes up a soccer player is technical ability. Everything else is secondary.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:41 pm to bless u boys
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My bad. Was just using as an example of the fastest athlete in the world (who also has some soccer abilities) not translating to being a top player.
Oh I see. I took it to be the other way, but now I see what you meant. Mea culpa.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:45 pm to bad93ex
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What could a Tyreek Hill type player do if he had some ball handling skills?
Pulisic is probably less than a tenth of a second slower than Hill.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 5:47 pm to bad93ex
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Our best athletes chase better chances at fame/fortune with the other top sports?
Jesus fricking Christ not this shite again.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 6:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
But even with Dempsey and Landon Donovan we would get our asses handed to us by the likes of Ghana. Not talking bad about that Ghana team, but we should have beaten them.
I'll predict that in 4 years we will make the same excuses that we are currently making and the US still will need help to make it to the knockout round.
I'll predict that in 4 years we will make the same excuses that we are currently making and the US still will need help to make it to the knockout round.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 6:33 pm to Mahootney
quote:if they’re giving it away to the women, that means they’re winning and earning it.
And giving the men's earnings away to people that aren't earning it. Virtue signaling is getting expensive.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 6:44 pm to Broski
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Pulisic is probably less than a tenth of a second slower than Hill.
Wat
Posted on 11/21/22 at 6:44 pm to KiwiHead
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But even with Dempsey and Landon Donovan we would get our asses handed to us by the likes of Ghana.
Ghana is a good team and was a good team then. Bob made a mistake with his initial line-up, which proved very costly. But we still had chances, which we didn't finish.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 6:51 pm to TackySweater
College.
It works well for women because it’s prob the most competitive you can get around the world pre professional, but doesn’t work for men.
And I say that about women because I noticed a lot of these girls from other countries came and played college soccer here before/After going to like Barcelona, Chelsea, Arsenal etc..
But the best men’s players are at the big clubs pre college age. It’s just how it is. We can never compete with that. We don’t allow people in our professional leagues at a young age.
I’ll go back to Arsenal because I follow them closely. They brought a 15 year old into the brentford game.
15…. 15…. Think about that.
It works well for women because it’s prob the most competitive you can get around the world pre professional, but doesn’t work for men.
And I say that about women because I noticed a lot of these girls from other countries came and played college soccer here before/After going to like Barcelona, Chelsea, Arsenal etc..
But the best men’s players are at the big clubs pre college age. It’s just how it is. We can never compete with that. We don’t allow people in our professional leagues at a young age.
I’ll go back to Arsenal because I follow them closely. They brought a 15 year old into the brentford game.
15…. 15…. Think about that.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 6:58 pm to dgnx6
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They brought a 15 year old into the brentford game. 15…. 15…. Think about that.
What’s Freddy Adu up to these days?
Posted on 11/21/22 at 7:08 pm to TackySweater
I think we have made significant strides in the sport, but we were so far behind the rest of the world that it will take time (generations) to fully catch-up. The rest of the world isn’t sitting idle either, but I think we have made up a lot of ground recently. There are something’s that I think could be better that are less talked about:
1) I am sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but we never had a world class “superstar” in mens soccer. I can’t think of another major sport in which an American player was not in the discussion for an all time and/or current “great” in the sport. If we ever have a phenom come through our system (like a Micheal Jordan type player), I think it would cause soccer to have an instant explosion with interest.
2) the MLS system has been a boon for the sport, but top level soccer and opportunity is very expensive and like other sports, can be very political (as in who you know and which coach/club you played under). I believe the cost to be on an MLS next team is somewhere are 20k. Most kids/can’t afford that even if their kid was good enough.
3) I know some will disagree, but I do think title IX has had a negative impact on mens soccer. I also believe it is one of the main contributors to why the women's team took a significant upswing. Most counties do not have that type of system for female athletes. Our male athletes are already behind the rest of the world (although getting better) and I find it hard to believe that a stronger male college presence would not greatly benefit our over development.
4) We have had shitty leadership in the sport from the top down. Again it is getting better but it will take generations to develop good players that become good coaches. Our country relies heavily on importing quality coaches at all levels and that has to change, but it will take the most time IMO.
1) I am sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but we never had a world class “superstar” in mens soccer. I can’t think of another major sport in which an American player was not in the discussion for an all time and/or current “great” in the sport. If we ever have a phenom come through our system (like a Micheal Jordan type player), I think it would cause soccer to have an instant explosion with interest.
2) the MLS system has been a boon for the sport, but top level soccer and opportunity is very expensive and like other sports, can be very political (as in who you know and which coach/club you played under). I believe the cost to be on an MLS next team is somewhere are 20k. Most kids/can’t afford that even if their kid was good enough.
3) I know some will disagree, but I do think title IX has had a negative impact on mens soccer. I also believe it is one of the main contributors to why the women's team took a significant upswing. Most counties do not have that type of system for female athletes. Our male athletes are already behind the rest of the world (although getting better) and I find it hard to believe that a stronger male college presence would not greatly benefit our over development.
4) We have had shitty leadership in the sport from the top down. Again it is getting better but it will take generations to develop good players that become good coaches. Our country relies heavily on importing quality coaches at all levels and that has to change, but it will take the most time IMO.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 7:14 pm to TackySweater
This will get downvoted but soccer culture in this country is soft as it's gotten more popular and we've tried to emulate foreign countries. We are physically and mentally weak.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 1:32 pm to Seeker
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know some will disagree, but I do think title IX has had a negative impact on mens soccer.
Title IX killed a lot of men’s sports
Posted on 11/22/22 at 2:13 pm to bisonduck
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Clumsy centerbacks and lack of clinical finishing would be my top 2 reasons.
doing my Iverson impersonation
FINISHING!?
FINISHING?!
they cant pass worth spit.
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