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Cam Whitmore….
Posted on 10/16/23 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 10/16/23 at 7:45 pm
Please note this is not a Hawkins sucks thread. To be fair- hes played fairly decent past couple of games. This is a what the hell did we pass on thread…
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Posted on 10/16/23 at 8:03 pm to Pels_Yaz
He’s who I wanted at that point in the draft. Griffin is weird. You take Jaxson Hayes in the top 10 but can’t take a chance on Cam Whitmore at 14?
I’m sure Hawkins will be a good player for us and fill his role but teams like the pelicans have to take chances on players like Whitmore.
I’m sure Hawkins will be a good player for us and fill his role but teams like the pelicans have to take chances on players like Whitmore.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 8:32 pm to Pels_Yaz
Stand over me like that and I will punch you as hard as I can in your fricking nuts, then grab your shirt and try to knock you the frick the out.
Can’t stand when people do that. It makes me irrationally mad, same as if someone spit in my face.
And yes I would have rather drafted Cam Whitmore, the guy who was projected as high as 4th overall right before the draft.
Can’t stand when people do that. It makes me irrationally mad, same as if someone spit in my face.
And yes I would have rather drafted Cam Whitmore, the guy who was projected as high as 4th overall right before the draft.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 8:42 pm to Pels_Yaz
In the draft thread, I think I put this was as easy as it gets for Griff to not screwup, just to draft him. And of course he doesn’t.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:03 pm to Townedrunkard
Never draft for need. Always take BPA.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:05 pm to TeddyPadillac
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And yes I would have rather drafted Cam Whitmore, the guy who was projected as high as 4th overall right before the draft.
I was so geeked up when he fell to us. It was too good to be true. I thought Whitmore was for sure top 5. I never thought we had a chance at him.
I have no idea where he'd play on our team. He's a 3/4 combo and we are loaded at the 3. So much so that Murphy plays a lot at the 4. Rockets have similar depth though and went for it..
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:09 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Never draft for need. Always take BPA.
I agree
Hayes, Kira and Hawkins were drafted on need.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:16 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Never draft for need. Always take BPA.
Ehh has to be a balance, unless it's blatantly obvious. Don't want to end up with like 5 Centers that can't play together..
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:22 pm to brmark70816
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Ehh has to be a balance, unless it's blatantly obvious.
The problem with drafting for need is that by the time the player you're drafting is NBA ready, the other players on your team might not be there anymore.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:42 pm to Pels_Yaz
Remember way back when (4 days ago) we played the Rockets? Hawkins outscored Whitmore.
3-point shooting last 2 games
Hawkins: 8/17 47%
Whitmore: 2/11 18%
Whitmore had medical concerns and attitude/character issues. BI, Herb, Trey and Dyson can all play SF, it’s not that big of a deal that we didn’t draft him.
3-point shooting last 2 games
Hawkins: 8/17 47%
Whitmore: 2/11 18%
Whitmore had medical concerns and attitude/character issues. BI, Herb, Trey and Dyson can all play SF, it’s not that big of a deal that we didn’t draft him.
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 10/16/23 at 10:22 pm to saintslsupels
I agree Hawkins has played well, like I said this thread is not to diss Hawkins.
We’ll see if its not that big a deal. Theres hits and misses in every draft. But pelicans have missed before but so have many other teams. Kira over Maxey/Bane, Hayes/Naw over Herro/Grant/Clarke. Again let’s see how both of them develop and play.
We’ll see if its not that big a deal. Theres hits and misses in every draft. But pelicans have missed before but so have many other teams. Kira over Maxey/Bane, Hayes/Naw over Herro/Grant/Clarke. Again let’s see how both of them develop and play.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 11:43 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I agree Hawkins has played well, like I said this thread is not to diss Hawkins. We’ll see if its not that big a deal. Theres hits and misses in every draft. But pelicans have missed before but so have many other teams. Kira over Maxey/Bane, Hayes/Naw over Herro/Grant/Clarke. Again let’s see how both of them develop and play.
Hawkins is gonna play 10 years in this league, but he’s gonna do that on like 6 teams who sign him because they need shooting. That’s his ceiling. Maybe whitmore ends up having knee issues and is a bust but I’d rather take the chance on him becoming a star than a guy like Hawkins who will be available for the minimum for the majority of his career
Posted on 10/17/23 at 6:20 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:our drafts have been terrible other than Zion which he has underachieved
agree Hayes, Kira and Hawkins were drafted on need.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 7:15 am to BowDownToLSU
No. Our lottery picks have been bad to inconclusive. Since they switched focusing on picking players that know how to play basketball and play the right way they’ve had much better results:
Herb, Trey, and Jose.
I’m a big believer in Dyson and think that is a lottery pick that will prove good.
Hawkins seems like a need based consolation prize but elite shooters are worth a lot in today’s NBA so we will see.
Regarding Whitmore, he may have never been in consideration for the Pels. His personal red flags don’t fit the kind of player they target, and he had injury red flags when the Pels were in the middle of reorganizing their training staff.
Sometimes a player can both be the most talented on the board and not a fit for your team. The real shame isn’t not drafting Whitmore, it’s nobody else wanting him enough to trade up to the Pels’ pick for him.
Herb, Trey, and Jose.
I’m a big believer in Dyson and think that is a lottery pick that will prove good.
Hawkins seems like a need based consolation prize but elite shooters are worth a lot in today’s NBA so we will see.
Regarding Whitmore, he may have never been in consideration for the Pels. His personal red flags don’t fit the kind of player they target, and he had injury red flags when the Pels were in the middle of reorganizing their training staff.
Sometimes a player can both be the most talented on the board and not a fit for your team. The real shame isn’t not drafting Whitmore, it’s nobody else wanting him enough to trade up to the Pels’ pick for him.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 7:37 am to TigerinATL
Trey, Dyson and Hawkins
Posted on 10/17/23 at 7:57 am to BowDownToLSU
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our drafts have been terrible other than Zion which he has underachieved
Jeez man, did you become a pels yesterday? We drafted Trey, Herb and Jose in the same draft. Why is it that for what I can tell only happens in basketball do our fans think that draft picks only count for the lottery? A mid to late pick in the nfl is considered a steal and a great pick, but when we draft Herb in the 2nd round why does Griff not get credit for that? People are so hyper focused on Kira and Jaxson Hayes that some how drafting 3 good players in the same draft doesn’t count. Most of the league would love to have as many good players under 25 as us.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:15 am to saintslsupels
Posters dwell on mistakes and isolated examples. It’s in their nature.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:36 am to saintslsupels
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We drafted Trey, Herb and Jose in the same draft.
Notice how no one brings up NAW when talking about drafting bad.
picking 17th is not a position where anyone should expect much. If you get a role player at 17, or anyone that can make it to the second contract, then you did awesome. We did awesome with Trey. we did nothing with NAW and got nothing for him, and to be honest if you told me we would get an NAW then a Trey every 2 years drafting around the 15-20 range, then i'd take that every single time. Hell i would even be happy if it was NAW, then Trey, then a bust, then NAW, then Trey, then a bust, etc.
There are charts that show when you pick in the top 10, it's like a 80-90% chance you get a role player at worst. It's still only about 75% chance you get a starter with a top 5 pick. picks 10-24 is more like 40-65% chance at getting a role player at worst, with obviously a higher chance at a bust.
jaxson was a bust.
NAW was close to bust as we really didn't get anything for him in a trade, and outside of the Clippers game he didn't provide much for us on the court. But i still think he provided decent playing time for us while we had him. Didn't really provide us with value, but not a complete bust.
Kira is pretty close to a bust, but i still have some hope for him. He might not give us value before the end of the year, but i think he still has a chance to do something in the league, like NAW is.
Trey was a slam dunk.
Dyson is looking like a role player at worst kind of player, with some potential to be a true 3&D long term NBA guy.
Hawkins is obviously a TBD.
Finding Herb and Jose is luck. I can give them credit for creating their own luck looking for a specific type of player on and off the court that might work out better than your average freshman with upside, and maybe giving them a better chance at that luck, but it's still luck to find 2nd round players and undrafted players that are that good.
I know that sounds very negative talking about Herb and Jose, but its the reality of the nBA draft. No one says "man i knew that 2nd round guy would end up being a great nba player". It's such a crapshoot. I give them credit for seeking out the type of player that generally has a higher chance of making a roster in the 2nd round. Almost 75% of 2nd round picks either don't make the team or barely play and are out of the league in less than 3 years. This chart basically says you have a 9% chance at finding someone decent in the 2nd round.
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Why is it that for what I can tell only happens in basketball do our fans think that draft picks only count for the lottery? A mid to late pick in the nfl is considered a steal and a great pick,
dont ever compare the NFL draft to the NBA draft.
they are nothing alike.
When you draft in the top top 10, you expect at worst a good role player. Think of someone like Otto Porter. Is he a bust at 4 b/c he didn't turn into Kawhi Leonard? Sure that's what you would hope to get at 4, but at worst he was a really good role player, who actually made a ton of money in the nba. when you draft in the top 10 and get nothing, then you did terribly bad, i.e. Jaxson Hayes.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:39 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:Seems silly to think a journeyman minimum dude is his ceiling.
Hawkins is gonna play 10 years in this league, but he’s gonna do that on like 6 teams who sign him because they need shooting. That’s his ceiling. Maybe whitmore ends up having knee issues and is a bust but I’d rather take the chance on him becoming a star than a guy like Hawkins who will be available for the minimum for the majority of his career
His ceiling is more like a JJ Redick type player.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:03 am to TeddyPadillac
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Notice how no one brings up NAW when talking about drafting bad
NAW gets brought up all the time when discussing past draft picks. Part of my general frustration here is NAW wasn’t a lottery pick but is considered a bad pick, but somehow Trey doesn’t count as a good pick because he wasn’t a lottery pick. I understand you don’t have that opinion, but it seems like Griff gets blame for NAW but not enough credit for Trey.
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Finding Herb and Jose is luck
I’ve said this before, I just don’t agree that these two were luck, and yes you can compare to nfl drafts. I don’t understand why mid to late round nfl picks that hit are considered good picks, but 2nd and undrafted nba players are considered luck. We scouted, worked out and interviewed 2nd round prospects, they all count the same.
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