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Saints drafts by Value Added to team under Loomis:
Posted on 1/14/26 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 1/14/26 at 12:11 pm
Saints drafts by Value to Team since Loomis became GM in 2002 (draft rounds in parentheses):
2002: 111 (1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7)
2003: 71 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7)
2004: 110 (1, 2, 2, 5, 5, 7)
2005: 60 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7)
2006: 306 (1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7)
2007: 75 (1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 7)
2008: 93 (1, 2, 5, 5, 6, 7)
2009: 56 (1, 4, 4, 5)
2010: 71 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7)
2011: 164 (1, 1, 3, 3, 7, 7)
2012: 26 (3, 4, 5, 6, 7)
2013: 92 (1, 3, 3, 5, 6)
2014: 22 (1, 2, 4, 5, 5, 6)
2015: 103 (1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 5, 5, 5, 7)
2016: 118 (1, 2, 2, 4, 7)
2017: 226 (1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 6)
2018: 37 (1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7)
2019: 52 (2, 4, 6, 7, 7)
2020: 44 (1, 3, 3, 7)
2021: 61 (1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7)
2022: 63 (1, 1, 2, 5, 6)
2023: 34 (1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6)
2024: 32 (1, 2, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7)
2025: 26 (1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 6, 7, 7)
A few thing I note from this:
-2025 class already being ahead of one class and tied with another is pretty funny.
-That 2018 class hurt so damn bad.
-We haven't had a pick in all 7 rounds since 2005.
2002: 111 (1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7)
2003: 71 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7)
2004: 110 (1, 2, 2, 5, 5, 7)
2005: 60 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7)
2006: 306 (1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7)
2007: 75 (1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 7)
2008: 93 (1, 2, 5, 5, 6, 7)
2009: 56 (1, 4, 4, 5)
2010: 71 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7)
2011: 164 (1, 1, 3, 3, 7, 7)
2012: 26 (3, 4, 5, 6, 7)
2013: 92 (1, 3, 3, 5, 6)
2014: 22 (1, 2, 4, 5, 5, 6)
2015: 103 (1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 5, 5, 5, 7)
2016: 118 (1, 2, 2, 4, 7)
2017: 226 (1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 6)
2018: 37 (1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7)
2019: 52 (2, 4, 6, 7, 7)
2020: 44 (1, 3, 3, 7)
2021: 61 (1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7)
2022: 63 (1, 1, 2, 5, 6)
2023: 34 (1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 6)
2024: 32 (1, 2, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7)
2025: 26 (1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 6, 7, 7)
A few thing I note from this:
-2025 class already being ahead of one class and tied with another is pretty funny.
-That 2018 class hurt so damn bad.
-We haven't had a pick in all 7 rounds since 2005.
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Posted on 1/14/26 at 12:15 pm to saintsfan92612
It would help to know what these numbers mean and especially how they compare to other teams. I could've told you which drafts were our good ones, which is all this list does.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 12:20 pm to Burt Macklin
I ain't gonna do the work for every team. I just wanted to do it to see the Saints. I really was really just curious to see if the 2025 class was already better than 2018 but was a little surprised it wasn't so decided to look at a few more.
The numbers are just the accumulative Approximate value for all players in the draft class but only their contributions to the Saints.
The numbers are just the accumulative Approximate value for all players in the draft class but only their contributions to the Saints.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 12:38 pm to saintsfan92612
Judging a draft class after 1 season is kinda ridiculous. Everyone knows this.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 3:57 pm to saintsfan92612
quote:
The numbers are just the accumulative Approximate value for all players in the draft class but only their contributions to the Saints.
Thanks for the explanation.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 4:07 pm to saintsfan92612
Gad if we didn’t totally whiff 2018/19/20 our roster would have been all time great.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 9:04 pm to Snipe
quote:The op isn't judging 2025 after 1 season. This is just the AV of the players, which will continue to go up (hopefully) as long as the players play for us.
Judging a draft class after 1 season is kinda ridiculous. Everyone knows this.
What this is showing is 2025 is already as good (2012) or better (2014) than 2 of the drafts after just 1 year, and is almost better than another (2018; not counting 2023 and 2024 since those are still accumulating AV as well).
This post was edited on 1/14/26 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 1/14/26 at 9:11 pm to ned nederlander
2019 wasn't really a whiff, more so just a lack of picks. 2018 and 2020, yeah those sucked majorly.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 10:41 pm to saintsfan92612
quote:
2018: 37 (1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7)
2019: 52 (2, 4, 6, 7, 7)
2020: 44 (1, 3, 3, 7)
2018: traded up with 2019's 1st.
Lets say we stayed put, Lamar Jackson as the heir would have nice.
3rd - Tre'Quan had his moments, so won't redo that
4th - Rick Leonard; pass and go for Kentavius Street, Josh Sweat, or Dalton Schultz
2019:
2nd - Erik McCoy was still the best choice; we gave up the 2020 2nd for it though
- Other options, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf
3rd - traded for teddy bridgewater, wouldn't have to if we had Lamar. This could have been Jamel Dean, Dawson Knox, Quincy Williams
4th - CJGJ - still a good pick, but the next guy was Maxx Crosby lol
2020: now this draft...really fricked us up
1st - Cesar Ruiz. Other options? Brandon Aiyuk, Jordan Love, Patrick Queen, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, Xavier McKinney, Robert Hunt (pro-bowl guard), Jonathan Taylor, so...many options...
2nd - traded to get McCoy (not many right after this pick, so hindsight still a good trade)
3rd - Zack Baun, future all-pro for someone else
3rd - Adam Trautman, traded all those picks; if only we had brought in Dalton Shultz in 2018...
hindsight, but damn...in a world we could have went from
2018:
Marcus Davenport -> Lamar Jackson
Rick Leonard -> Dalton Schultz
2019:
(Traded for) Bridgewater -> Dean
CJGJ -> Crosby
2020:
Ruiz -> anyone
Trautman -> Dotson (Guard 4th), Mooney (WR 5th)
Posted on 1/15/26 at 6:38 am to saintsfan92612
yeah these numbers don't make sense to me 2006 306? wtf? is a high number better or a lower number.
2006 was an all timer. I'm lost at how these numbers work
New Orleans Saints 2006 Draft Picks:
Round 1, Pick 2 - Reggie Bush, RB, Southern California
Round 2, Pick 43 - Roman Harper, DB, Alabama
Round 4, Pick 108 - Jahri Evans, OG, Bloomsburg
Round 5, Pick 135 - Rob Ninkovich, DE, Purdue
Round 6, Pick 171 - Mike Hass, WR, Oregon State
Round 6, Pick 174 - Josh Lay, DB, Pittsburgh
Round 7, Pick 210 - Zach Strief, OT, Northwestern
Round 7, Pick 252 - Marques Colston, WR, Hofstra
2006 was an all timer. I'm lost at how these numbers work
New Orleans Saints 2006 Draft Picks:
Round 1, Pick 2 - Reggie Bush, RB, Southern California
Round 2, Pick 43 - Roman Harper, DB, Alabama
Round 4, Pick 108 - Jahri Evans, OG, Bloomsburg
Round 5, Pick 135 - Rob Ninkovich, DE, Purdue
Round 6, Pick 171 - Mike Hass, WR, Oregon State
Round 6, Pick 174 - Josh Lay, DB, Pittsburgh
Round 7, Pick 210 - Zach Strief, OT, Northwestern
Round 7, Pick 252 - Marques Colston, WR, Hofstra
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:07 am to mindbreaker
AV is the players approximate value to the team, so the higher the better.
These numbers for a given draft year is all players' total AV for their career with the Saints only. For instance Colston got a 10 in 2006, 11 in 2007, 7, 11, 9, 11, 9, 9, 8, and 4 for a total career AV of 89, all of which was with the Saints. You go through each player from the draft and do the same and add all of them together for the total AV of that draft to that team.
Marques Colston Stats
His AV is in the first table all the way to the right.
Now of course this process is far from precise on a few ends.
First, AV is not a scientific measurement. It is sort of like a more stat based PFF scoring system where you take out the play to play grading and judge them on what they produced.
Second, a traded draft pick still yields AV in other ways, whether that is trading for vets, other draft picks, or a combination of things. It's extremely hard to untangle that web though, so a draft's true total AV is very hard to place.
For instance, we traded a 3rd and a 4th for Vilma, and he produced a total of 33 AV for us. One of those picks was in 2008 and one in 2009 though, so how do you untangle where to add that AV (weighted by round of each pick maybe)?
Third is if you get a comp pick for a player that leaves in FA, now you can potentially get more AV in return for that player, so how do you track that? Do you add it on to the original pick's draft, the comp pick's draft, split it, etc.?
Fourth is the case of a player leaving and returning. Do you add his new AV to the draft? Did you trade to get him back, get a comp pick when he originally left, etc?
5th is how to count a traded pick for a pick in another draft, like with Kamara. Do you add to one or the other or do a split again?
These things and others make it extremely hard to find the true AV of a draft. Just because on the surface a draft looks like a bust, it may have yielded pro bowlers/all pros in other ways (like getting Kamara or Vilma).
The simple view in the OP is still very good to look at and get a gage though.
These numbers for a given draft year is all players' total AV for their career with the Saints only. For instance Colston got a 10 in 2006, 11 in 2007, 7, 11, 9, 11, 9, 9, 8, and 4 for a total career AV of 89, all of which was with the Saints. You go through each player from the draft and do the same and add all of them together for the total AV of that draft to that team.
Marques Colston Stats
His AV is in the first table all the way to the right.
Now of course this process is far from precise on a few ends.
First, AV is not a scientific measurement. It is sort of like a more stat based PFF scoring system where you take out the play to play grading and judge them on what they produced.
Second, a traded draft pick still yields AV in other ways, whether that is trading for vets, other draft picks, or a combination of things. It's extremely hard to untangle that web though, so a draft's true total AV is very hard to place.
For instance, we traded a 3rd and a 4th for Vilma, and he produced a total of 33 AV for us. One of those picks was in 2008 and one in 2009 though, so how do you untangle where to add that AV (weighted by round of each pick maybe)?
Third is if you get a comp pick for a player that leaves in FA, now you can potentially get more AV in return for that player, so how do you track that? Do you add it on to the original pick's draft, the comp pick's draft, split it, etc.?
Fourth is the case of a player leaving and returning. Do you add his new AV to the draft? Did you trade to get him back, get a comp pick when he originally left, etc?
5th is how to count a traded pick for a pick in another draft, like with Kamara. Do you add to one or the other or do a split again?
These things and others make it extremely hard to find the true AV of a draft. Just because on the surface a draft looks like a bust, it may have yielded pro bowlers/all pros in other ways (like getting Kamara or Vilma).
The simple view in the OP is still very good to look at and get a gage though.
This post was edited on 1/15/26 at 8:11 am
Posted on 1/15/26 at 9:02 am to htran90
quote:
4th - CJGJ - still a good pick, but the next guy was Maxx Crosby lol
We didn't need him, we just spent 10 1st round picks to get the future HOFer Davenport
Posted on 1/15/26 at 9:05 am to saintsfan92612
quote:
I ain't gonna do the work for every team
Not asking you to do the work, but at the same time, having that comparison would tell us how good/bad a draft really was. The data you provided is a great way for us to compare each draft class against each other. But, when you look at each number for a given year, there really is no way to tell what a good or bad number for that draft year is.
63 in 2022 looks really bad, but what if the average was 75?
Conversely, 118 in 2016 looks really good, but what if the average was 120.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 12:34 pm to bonethug0180
Appreciate the clarity makes more sense now
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