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Why do morals weigh so heavily in politics?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 9:59 am
Posted on 12/14/17 at 9:59 am
I ask this as one of the most conservative and devout christians. The Bible is my map for life. That said, I do not use politicians as my compass for navigation. I recognize certain issues like abortion, drug enforcement, and prostitution carry moral arguements...but the majority do not.
Using Moore as an example, lets assume he was 100% guilty as charged. While deserving of punishment, would he he respresent my political views more poorly than a pristine in character liberal? Would Franken more poorly represent his liberal constituents than a "R" without baggage?
It is an interesting paradox to me...
Using Moore as an example, lets assume he was 100% guilty as charged. While deserving of punishment, would he he respresent my political views more poorly than a pristine in character liberal? Would Franken more poorly represent his liberal constituents than a "R" without baggage?
It is an interesting paradox to me...
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:01 am to Milesahead
Because human beings want to be ruled by Angelic Deities. It's as simple as that. Life would be easy that way, so, the human capacity for "Fantasy" urges them to want to vote for Angelic Dieties and they want these entities to rule over us.
On paper, it's a good idea, in some ways.
On paper, it's a good idea, in some ways.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:01 am to Milesahead
It's a conundrum. Let's elect a politician of moral fiber - as long as it isn't a preacher.
Go figure.
Go figure.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:01 am to Milesahead
Emotional appeal
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:02 am to Milesahead
Because it works. Making people hate your opposition works just as well as making them like you, and is much easier
I honestly believe most voters know more negative things about who they didn’t vote for than they know positive things about who they do vote for
I honestly believe most voters know more negative things about who they didn’t vote for than they know positive things about who they do vote for
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 10:05 am
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:04 am to Milesahead
Because it attracts voters, period.
They would play -whatever- game that would get people's attention.
They would play -whatever- game that would get people's attention.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:06 am to Lsuchs
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I honestly believe most voters know more negative things about who they didn’t vote for than they know positive things about who they do vote for
Understatement of this century, so far.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:07 am to Milesahead
Each of us considers ourselves to be moral. Even when we are painfully aware of our own shortcomings we still maintain the ability to rationalize those shortcomings into oblivion.
We expect the people we elect to be every bit as moral as we see ourselves. Sadly that usually what we get. Very flawed representatives.
I try to vote for candidates who would vote the same way I would if I was elected to that position.
We expect the people we elect to be every bit as moral as we see ourselves. Sadly that usually what we get. Very flawed representatives.
I try to vote for candidates who would vote the same way I would if I was elected to that position.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:08 am to Milesahead
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morals
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politics
are mutually exclusive
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:09 am to Milesahead
In the Moore case, his entire platform is about morals. That's all he speaks to. So it's hard to ignore morality in his case.
Furthermore, if someone is guilty of being a sexual predator, they have no business being in a position of power anywhere.
Furthermore, if someone is guilty of being a sexual predator, they have no business being in a position of power anywhere.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:10 am to Milesahead
Make no mistake:
Morals only weigh heavily for ONE party and not the other. Watching what happened in Louisiana a couple of years ago with JBE and this week in Alabama, you see which groups traditionally will stand by that "morality" to the point they will vote for the other party.
The blue team and their members would NEVER do that. EVER. They would take their chances with the known criminal before giving up power.
Morals only weigh heavily for ONE party and not the other. Watching what happened in Louisiana a couple of years ago with JBE and this week in Alabama, you see which groups traditionally will stand by that "morality" to the point they will vote for the other party.
The blue team and their members would NEVER do that. EVER. They would take their chances with the known criminal before giving up power.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:12 am to Homesick Tiger
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I honestly believe most voters know more negative things about who they didn’t vote for than they know positive things about who they do vote for
Human beings are judged by the least amount of negative things they do than the positives. It's human nature.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:17 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Morals only weigh heavily for ONE party and not the other
Idk
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The blue team and their members would NEVER do that. EVER. They would take their chances with the known criminal before giving up power.
Where you're right about that, to me it just seems like they're 100% pot committed to the left BECAUSE they believe it's morally superior and the right wing people are so evil. ANY ends justify the means.
The only difference is that left wingers are mindless robots, and right wingers seem to have at least some semblance of an open / free thinking mind-set.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:17 am to Milesahead
The general public doesn't have a clue about how government works. I'm not trying to disparage anyone, I don't know how to conduct surgery either. But government is a profession just like any other.
Since voters don't understand any of it, they go with what they already believe in.
It always cracks me up how people have such strong beliefs about things they have no understanding of. For example, Whether you like Obamacare or hate it, have you ever actually read the law? Or do you just trust what someone told you in order to get you to vote a certain way? Nearly always it is the latter.
I personally don't care that much simply because I realize I don't understand and have other things I'd rather spend my time on.
Since voters don't understand any of it, they go with what they already believe in.
It always cracks me up how people have such strong beliefs about things they have no understanding of. For example, Whether you like Obamacare or hate it, have you ever actually read the law? Or do you just trust what someone told you in order to get you to vote a certain way? Nearly always it is the latter.
I personally don't care that much simply because I realize I don't understand and have other things I'd rather spend my time on.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:20 am to foshizzle
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It always cracks me up how people have such strong beliefs about things they have no understanding of. For example, Whether you like Obamacare or hate it, have you ever actually read the law? Or do you just trust what someone told you in order to get you to vote a certain way? Nearly always it is the latter.
That's both true and untrue. I don't have to read the entire law to understand the point that it's socialized healthcare, and I do know what socialized healthcare is, and who pays for it, for example. But yeah, people are idiots that just regurgitate the soundbites and talking points. It's why forums like these are so awesome for people that pay at least SOMEWHAT closer attention and care more. We can actually have legitimate discourse (and learn more).
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 10:21 am
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:20 am to Milesahead
Politicians have lots of power, influence, and control of money. Would you like someone of sound moral character in that position or a drug dealer? One could argue that if a man had relations with a young girl, he is not in control of himself and might be subject to sell his office for personal gain rather than use it for the good of the people.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:24 am to Milesahead
Morality is intimately related to a nation's government, for as James Madison wrote, "To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people is a chimerical idea." Morality refers to conduct that is proper between members of society. Respect for the equal rights of every citizen becomes the foundation of morality and justice in a free society. Rightful government necessarily reflects this proper relationship in its policies and in its dealings with its own citizens and with other nations. -Thomas Jefferson
Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society- George Washington
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.- John Adams
Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society- George Washington
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.- John Adams
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 10:26 am
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:29 am to Milesahead
Civil government has a God given authority to use violence on those who commit acts that are morally wrong and that are criminal in nature (Romans 13). Therefore, political issue are inherently moral issues.
All government action is backed with violence, determining when those actions are justified are questions around morality.
All government action is backed with violence, determining when those actions are justified are questions around morality.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:37 am to Loserman
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Morality is intimately related to a nation's government
Agree strongly and very good post.
One of the most interesting developments of the last few years is the change white evangelicals opinions on this issue, going from least likely to separate the personal and professional rectitude of politicians to the most likely. There's been some press about this as "the Trump Effect".
White Evangelicals Have Warmed to Politicians Who Commit "Immoral" Acts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 10:48 am to Milesahead
Cicero said that the art of persuasion is like a weapon...that can be used for good or evil. In politics the public has to assess reliability of their leaders' intentions.
Morality and Honesty are related. If a candidate is a confirmed bachelor who chooses a life of dating numerous women who are aware of their status then he is an honest man whether or not you approve of his lifestyle.
If a man marries and promises to 'forsake all others' and then proceeds to have sex with over 200 women (as Bill Clinton admitted in the Tripp tapes) then he is a lying POS and you have no way of determining the truth of his policy statements beyond flipping a coin.
Morality and Honesty are related. If a candidate is a confirmed bachelor who chooses a life of dating numerous women who are aware of their status then he is an honest man whether or not you approve of his lifestyle.
If a man marries and promises to 'forsake all others' and then proceeds to have sex with over 200 women (as Bill Clinton admitted in the Tripp tapes) then he is a lying POS and you have no way of determining the truth of his policy statements beyond flipping a coin.
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