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USC or LSU: Which is better job. LA Times article
Posted on 10/21/21 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 10/21/21 at 12:36 pm
Interesting points on all fronts. I think I would flip a couple of these. The biggest one I disagree with is the first. If O & Les can win a natty before being fired, it seems a lot of people could.
Ability to win championships before getting fired: USC
Ease of recruiting: USC
Program Infrastructure: LSU
Lifestyle: LSU
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Ability to win championships before getting fired: USC
Ease of recruiting: USC
Program Infrastructure: LSU
Lifestyle: LSU
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 12:38 pm to TruthSpeaker225
First 3 LSU, lifestyle USC
Also fan support/interest: LSU by a landslide
Also fan support/interest: LSU by a landslide
This post was edited on 10/21/21 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 10/21/21 at 12:38 pm to TruthSpeaker225
quote:yeah, that is a bad take.
Ability to win championships before getting fired: USC
quote:agree with this.
Ease of recruiting: USC
Program Infrastructure: LSU
quote:not sure I agree...
Lifestyle: LSU
Posted on 10/21/21 at 12:39 pm to TruthSpeaker225
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Ease of recruiting: USC
Debatable. Guys don't have to go to LA to get to the league which is what every player being recruited by USC and LSU wants.
If the allure of Los Angeles was all its cracked up to be USC would have had far more success over the last decade.
LSU, Bama, and Ohio St. are the top 3 schools that put guys in the NFL. Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, and Columbus.
When you go to schools like Bama/LSU you're rarely hanging around the city, you're playing football and practicing for 3 years to get in the league. Then you can go party.
This post was edited on 10/21/21 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 10/21/21 at 12:39 pm to TruthSpeaker225
I think a lot of it depends what you want as far as lifestyles go. I could totally see James Franklin going to LA and taking up the LA douche bag persona.
The arguments for LSU (as far as a football program goes) are damn strong.
-Last 3 coaches have won national championships.
-No in state schools to compete with in recruiting in a talent rich state.
The arguments for LSU (as far as a football program goes) are damn strong.
-Last 3 coaches have won national championships.
-No in state schools to compete with in recruiting in a talent rich state.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 12:41 pm to TruthSpeaker225
quote:
Ability to win championships before getting fired: USC
Lol. Haven’t they had like 5 head coaches since their last championship?
Meanwhile the last 3 coaches all won titles.
One was here for 10+ years before the fire finally died out.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 12:43 pm to The Eric
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Lol. Haven’t they had like 5 head coaches since their last championship?
Meanwhile the last 3 coaches all won titles.
One was here for 10+ years before the fire finally died out.
If USC was anywhere else in the US this wouldn't be a debate.
I think a lot of the media can't handle USC slowly becoming irrelevant in college football. They're just not a football school anymore and moving towards a Miami-like program.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 12:48 pm to TruthSpeaker225
quote:
Lifestyle
If you're a coach or a recruit, LA by a landslide.
Everything else I'd give to LSU.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 12:50 pm to TruthSpeaker225
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USC offers a much clearer path to dominating its conference, better job security
Better job security?
Since 2000:
USC - 6 different head coaches, including 2 interims
LSU - 3 different head coaches, including interims
If you want to take out the interim coaches, its USC 4 to LSU 3.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 12:51 pm to TruthSpeaker225
quote:
Ease of recruiting: USC
LSU is the only p5 school in the state with the most talent per capita.
While Cali has the most overall talent, it also has Stanford, UCLA, Cal to deal with, not to mention some other schools that raid talent.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 12:54 pm to Chicken
quote:
Lifestyle: LSU
not sure I agree...
They're factoring in cost of living, as well as California state income tax, which is 12.3%. Add the worst traffic in the nation to that, and it makes sense that they see the Louisiana lifestyle as being preferable.
You've got anywhere from 16-18 million people living in Greater Los Angeles, with an infrastructure that was built for 3 million. It can be a nightmare to live there
Posted on 10/21/21 at 12:58 pm to TruthSpeaker225
quote:
Ability to win championships before getting fired: USC
The column tries to argue we ran Orgeron out of the job in 21 months, and Helton got plenty of leash to turn their dumpster fire around, so it's USC by default because LSU is willing to fire a coach right away.
That's extremely ignorant of both situations, and what each program has done in the past.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 1:05 pm to TruthSpeaker225
LSU the better job easily by Miles based on cost of living in state income tax alone. California has a skilled tax rate from like 1 to 10%. Taxed from the first penny
Posted on 10/21/21 at 1:11 pm to TruthSpeaker225
quote:
Ability to win championships before getting fired: USC
Uh, how many USC coaches have been fired since their last title?
How many LSU coaches have been fired before a title in the last 20 years.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 1:13 pm to Old Money
quote:
Lifestyle
If you're a coach or a recruit, LA by a landslide
Yeah I lol'd at this one. BR aint got the belly lint to south California when it comes to lifestyle.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 1:16 pm to TruthSpeaker225
quote:
Lifestyle: LSU
Posted on 10/21/21 at 1:17 pm to TruthSpeaker225
quote:Both LSU and USC will have a new coach for next year. The new coach at USC will be given longer to get the team to compete for conference championships on the way to the title. If the new coach at LSU doesn't compete for an SEC title in 2 years his seat will get hot.
Ability to win championships before getting fired: USC
Posted on 10/21/21 at 1:19 pm to whitetiger1234
quote:
-No in state schools to compete with in recruiting in a talent rich state.
CA has 10X the pool of players, though.Posted on 10/21/21 at 1:24 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:
If the allure of Los Angeles was all its cracked up to be USC would have had far more success over the last decade.
USC is ab absolute dumpster fire of an athletic department. It's so bad that it overrules the built-in advantages USC should have.
A lot like the problems with Texas.
Posted on 10/21/21 at 1:30 pm to TruthSpeaker225
Recruiting and winning on this article are just wrong. LSU is clearly ahead by both counts there. LSU basically has Louisiana locked down while California gets raided by the entire country every year, and it "only" produces twice as many blue chips a year. California would be better if you end up with the Pete Carroll years where absolutely everybody wants to play at USC because So Cal has more blue chips than Louisiana, but that's a tall, tall order and until that happens LSU is the better recruiting place. There's also the argument to be made that California recruits are really overrated nowadays. The SEC doesn't really recruit outside of the SEC heavily, Bama takes about 1 California recruit a year as an example, and we can empirically see that it's the best conference by a wide margin. The conference that relies on California is the weakest power conference by a wide margin.
Winning I don't even understand what their argument is. LSU recruits better as established and has better facilities with more administration buy in. You can ask Oklahoma how well having the easiest path to the playoffs translates to actually winning a national title. There's also just this weird false narrative around LSU about how we fire coaches too quickly, and I just don't know what to say beyond the fact that we have had 3 coaches this century, and one of those changes only happened because he wanted to try the NFL. Even O got an "unlucky, here's a mulligan with new coordinators" year even though the signs of it not being truly a coordinator issue was already there.
As for lifestyle, that's so personal that it can't be generalized. At USC you're just another rich, minor celebrity and can blend in with the crowds. At LSU you are king and your wife is queen. It seems like most head coaches are wired to prefer the latter, but both have their pros and cons. Other lifestyle aspects are irrelevant because you spend so many of your waking hours in a football facility of some sort.
Winning I don't even understand what their argument is. LSU recruits better as established and has better facilities with more administration buy in. You can ask Oklahoma how well having the easiest path to the playoffs translates to actually winning a national title. There's also just this weird false narrative around LSU about how we fire coaches too quickly, and I just don't know what to say beyond the fact that we have had 3 coaches this century, and one of those changes only happened because he wanted to try the NFL. Even O got an "unlucky, here's a mulligan with new coordinators" year even though the signs of it not being truly a coordinator issue was already there.
As for lifestyle, that's so personal that it can't be generalized. At USC you're just another rich, minor celebrity and can blend in with the crowds. At LSU you are king and your wife is queen. It seems like most head coaches are wired to prefer the latter, but both have their pros and cons. Other lifestyle aspects are irrelevant because you spend so many of your waking hours in a football facility of some sort.
This post was edited on 10/21/21 at 1:31 pm
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