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re: Great Video "Are athletes really getting bigger, faster, stronger?"
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:29 pm to bamameister
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:29 pm to bamameister
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high school football team,
You ever seen a roster with guys’ weights from the old days and the same school today
Especially back when 200 pounds used to be a hoss at that level… hell college teams used to play high schools
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Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:47 pm to Ernest T Bass
A lot tune in on a Sunday
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:51 pm to chalmetteowl
Uh huh.
Back in early 80's, Broadmoor's line was bigger than LSU's, averaged 230.
Back in early 80's, Broadmoor's line was bigger than LSU's, averaged 230.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 2:25 pm to Ernest T Bass
quote:Boxing. The weight classes make for a control.
Baseball is the sport that transfers easiest from past days to now,
Posted on 7/30/23 at 2:30 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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...and the presumption that the latest generation is automatically bigger, stronger, faster...simply by being the most recent human incarnation.
If you would watch the video, you will see there is no question that the latest generation of ATHLETES (not everyone) is indeed bigger and stronger but necessarily faster. What the video addresses is WHY this is the case.
The first half explains in some cases, current speed and endurance events records were technologically driven and the second half of the video acknowledges the cases in which athletes today or indeed faster bigger and stronger and gives valid factually based reasons why. Watch and you will understand. Or don't.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 2:37 pm to Jack Daniel
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There were always elite athletes, I just think as a whole athletes are bigger faster and stronger.
Compare the last man on the roster now to the last man on the roster 50 years ago.
Look at the height and weight of the 1985 bears defense. There is no way they could compete with the mass and athleticism of offensive lines today.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 2:53 pm to Ernest T Bass
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How many corners are faster than Deion & Darrel Green ?
Maybe 1-2, but the point is that there are 20 that are within .5 seconds. Pacman Jones comes to mind immediately. How many Devin Hester’s were there in the 80’s?
Just based on pure athleticism, you can make a case that 5 have come through LSU and Bama alone just in the last few years.
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How many running backs today are bigger/faster/stronger than Bo Jackson & Herschel Walker ?
Not many because they all play on the other side of the ball where they get paid, but Adrian Peterson comes to mind immediately.
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How many LB's are bigger/faster/stronger than Lawrence Taylor ?
There’s about 20 in the NFL right now. There were zero Devin White’s in the 80’s. Or Roquon Smith’s. Or Khalil Mack’s.
Defensive Ends are now insane as well. There were no Danielle Hunter’s walking around, or Nick Bosa’s or Myles Garrett’s or Jevon Kearse, or Julius Peppers, or….
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How many WR's are faster than Bob Hayes ?
About 20 in the NFL right now, but just pure freak athleticism is at an apex at this position right now.
This is the Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson era, but also players that werent great WR’s but were just amazing athletes like Martavis Bryant, John Ross, Jacoby Ford, Maquise Goodwin, etc.
Tyreek Hill is in the NFL right now. There’s so much speed everywhere that it absolutely dwarfs any other era.
Have you seen Christian Watson play? The only WR in history that had better athlete metrics than him was Calvin Johnson.
We just saw Michael Vick play less than a decade ago.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 3:02 pm to Ernest T Bass
Saw a film with this theme a few years ago,about how much equipment makes a difference.
A Pan Am games medallist was given Jessie Owens-era equipment, down to the shoes, put him on a cinder track, and let him go. He wasn't much faster than Owens, and said he never worked harder running 100 yards than he did in those old-style shoes and uniform.
A Pan Am games medallist was given Jessie Owens-era equipment, down to the shoes, put him on a cinder track, and let him go. He wasn't much faster than Owens, and said he never worked harder running 100 yards than he did in those old-style shoes and uniform.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 3:16 pm to dnm3305
The biggest difference is in football and not just physically but schematically.
The Chiefs would beat the frick out of the 1985 Bears. 1995 Nebraska trying to run the I against Jordan Davis and all the studs UGA has had up front on D the last couple of years would get stuffed.
I think strength training, nutrition, and better high school coaching (kids are more prepared to play as true freshmen) have made a difference obviously. The United States also has about 100 million more people than it did 40 years ago. That gives you about 50% more freaks of nature being born today vs. when I was born.
The Chiefs would beat the frick out of the 1985 Bears. 1995 Nebraska trying to run the I against Jordan Davis and all the studs UGA has had up front on D the last couple of years would get stuffed.
I think strength training, nutrition, and better high school coaching (kids are more prepared to play as true freshmen) have made a difference obviously. The United States also has about 100 million more people than it did 40 years ago. That gives you about 50% more freaks of nature being born today vs. when I was born.
This post was edited on 7/30/23 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 7/30/23 at 3:16 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Tennis is the same. As much glorification as today’s stars like Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer get, much of their success is based on improved equipment technology from Rackets to shoes and even clothes. This doesn’t even account for nutritional and PED advantages.
That’s why I laugh when people shite on Sampras and the others of his time. And then when at that time, they shat on the starts that came prior like Borg.
Reality is that in almost all of sports there are advantages. In football, PEDs, training methods; equipment, rules changes and the fact that a brain dead human being could play college football if they were good enough allowed more development.
40 times look better when they are on surfaces optimized to be run on faster. Add in the hilarity in the typical moron comparing an NFL combine 40 time to an Olympic or world championship 100 meter time ignoring the different factors like, the reaction time for a track runner after the gun being included but not for the combine runner who starts there time when they move.
Add it further that leagues are now looking for bigger athletes like in the NFL and NBA, providing them training and opportunity and you will see these trends.
Before they focused on skill. Now they focus on potential in bigger athletes.
I mean hell LSU had a 7’ tuba player on the men’s basketball team just because he was 7’ and not even athletic.
That’s why I laugh when people shite on Sampras and the others of his time. And then when at that time, they shat on the starts that came prior like Borg.
Reality is that in almost all of sports there are advantages. In football, PEDs, training methods; equipment, rules changes and the fact that a brain dead human being could play college football if they were good enough allowed more development.
40 times look better when they are on surfaces optimized to be run on faster. Add in the hilarity in the typical moron comparing an NFL combine 40 time to an Olympic or world championship 100 meter time ignoring the different factors like, the reaction time for a track runner after the gun being included but not for the combine runner who starts there time when they move.
Add it further that leagues are now looking for bigger athletes like in the NFL and NBA, providing them training and opportunity and you will see these trends.
Before they focused on skill. Now they focus on potential in bigger athletes.
I mean hell LSU had a 7’ tuba player on the men’s basketball team just because he was 7’ and not even athletic.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 3:38 pm to Ernest T Bass
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They debunk the myth of athletes getting bigger/faster/stronger.
It’s not a myth that general knowledge about training and nutrition along with technology are vastly better. Plus the professionalization of sports and the overall improvement in society (despite what activists may say). Poor kids as recently as the 1930s were having to work for families to survive. Not time from playing sports let alone the organized sports we have now.
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it's illogical to think that all of the greatest athletes in history just happened to be born in the last 30 years.
Obviously there was not a giant leap in evolution in 2 generations. But today’s athletes do benefit from the advances and extra time to dedicate to training from an early age.
People that think great athletes of the past couldn’t compete assume they are transported as is, but give Jessie Owens or Jim Brown or Babe Ruth or Wilt or whoever the benefit of modern training, nutrition, medicine and technology and they’d do just fine
Posted on 7/30/23 at 3:46 pm to Ernest T Bass
Todays athelete aren't naturally bigger, faster, and stronger but as research and technology have advanced we've learned how to better optimize training and performance.
Babe ruth wasn't tracking sleep patterns, spin rate, release point, etc. It's not about humans evolving from one generation to the next, it's about the game evolving as a whole.
Babe ruth wasn't tracking sleep patterns, spin rate, release point, etc. It's not about humans evolving from one generation to the next, it's about the game evolving as a whole.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 4:57 pm to Ernest T Bass
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Because the video is 15 minutes long and people were shite posting 6 minutes after the OP was posted.
A video that was posted to YouTube 9 years ago? I’m no mathematician, but I think 9 years is enough time to watch that video
Posted on 7/30/23 at 6:16 pm to Ernest T Bass
The difference was never the top-end athletes. The difference is the midline athletes. You need only look at the average size and speed of the NFL offensive lines and defensive lines, where I think the most obvious differences can be seen. I also am fairly certain you would see the same size and speed increases in CBs and WRs on average.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 6:54 pm to Ernest T Bass
There’s a little more nuance to it but the nerds who never played sports on this board are married to the myth that “modern players are always better” because they’re ignorant. In some sports and positions yes players are bigger but in others they’re smaller. NFL LBs for instance are smaller than they were 20-25 years ago and I mean actual LBs not specialty DEs that play 1/3 of the snaps. QBs are smaller, safeties are smaller, there are more small WRs. In basketball front line players are smaller and those are just a couple of examples in a couple of sports. The sizes of players aren’t determined by some jump in evolution, they change according to how rules in sports change.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 7:04 pm to Ernest T Bass
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How many running backs today are bigger/faster/stronger than Bo Jackson & Herschel Walker ?
You do realize outliers don’t disprove averages?
Posted on 7/30/23 at 7:25 pm to Hoops
Christian Okoye, Eric Dickerson, Alvin Mack, Otis Anderson, George Rogers, Earl Campbell, John Riggins among others are all from that same era.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 11:54 pm to Madking
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NFL LBs for instance are smaller than they were 20-25 years ago and I mean actual LBs not specialty DEs that play 1/3 of the snaps
Do you have examples of this? Could simply be an emphasis on speed, better to defend the pass if players are lighter. Weight can easily fluctuate
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QBs are smaller
While there are some shorter guys like Russell Wilson and Bryce Young getting chances now that didn’t in the past most QBs are the same size as 20-30 years ago. Burrow is 6’4” 215, Mahomes 6’2” 220 Allen 6’5” 235 guys like Elway Marino Kelly were 6’2”-6’-4” 220-225
Posted on 7/31/23 at 12:23 am to UncleFestersLegs
quote:Jerry Jones was an offensive lineman on an Arkansas team that won a natty in 1964. Let that sink in.
in the 30s and 40s. nfl lineman were 200-230 lbs. That ain't a myth
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:22 am to FightinTigersDammit
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A Pan Am games medallist was given Jessie Owens-era equipment, down to the shoes, put him on a cinder track, and let him go. He wasn't much faster than Owens, and said he never worked harder running 100 yards than he did in those old-style shoes and uniform.
He was a medalist from a second tier competition, running for fun, and he put up a better time than the fastest man of the 1930s.
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