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re: How is Roger Craig in the Hall of Fame?
Posted on 2/7/26 at 5:30 am to DiamondDog
Posted on 2/7/26 at 5:30 am to DiamondDog
Didnt he play 007?
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Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:39 am to VerlanderBEAST
quote:
Yeah so Walter Payton doesn't exist?
Did Walter Payton have a season with 1,000 yards rushing and receiving? That’s still only been done 3 times in the history of the league.
Did Walter Payton ever lead the league in receptions?
I agree that if you’re a hall of famer you should be voted in immediately, and that it shouldn’t take years to get voted in, but Roger Craig has similar if not better stats and accolades as Thurman Thomas, who made the HOF in his 2nd year of voting.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:56 am to DiamondDog
He shouldn't be. Good rb. Not a great rb.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 7:58 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Did Payton play for Bill Walsh ? No. Totally different offenses.
Did Walter Payton have a season with 1,000 yards rushing and receiving?
Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:16 am to SoFla Tideroller
Jim kiik did catch 44 passes one year. Not bad.
Craig caught 90 one year and had more than 44 7 years in a row.
Not a good comp
Craig caught 90 one year and had more than 44 7 years in a row.
Not a good comp
This post was edited on 2/7/26 at 8:46 am
Posted on 2/7/26 at 8:25 am to Oilfieldbiology
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You get one chance to get in. If you don’t make it in the first vote, you’re not HOF material.
This sounds good, but it's too late to establish that precedent & give it any teeth imo. If they changed it to your way, someone would just change it back years later
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:54 am to thegambler
I wasn't saying Kiick or PP put up numbers comparable to Craig. I was addressing the point that Craig "invented the position of receiving RB". That's all.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 11:56 am to SoFla Tideroller
He invented the position relative to the modern era of football. It can’t be denied. Prior to him , no one was utilized EVERY down as both a run / pass option. Did you have a couple of guys come in every now and then in 3rd down to catch a pass—of course. Craig played every down. He was just as likely to catch a pass on 1st or 2nd down and any down. Likewise, he was equally as likely to run the ball in any down.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 11:58 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Payton was 1st or 2nd only his team in receptions almost every single season. The Bears didn't have any 1000 hard receivers in Payton's whole career
Did Walter Payton have a season with 1,000 yards rushing and receiving? That’s still only been done 3 times in the history of the league.
Did Walter Payton ever lead the league in receptions?
Posted on 2/7/26 at 1:00 pm to michael corleone
Not to completely derail the thread, but Chuck Foreman of the Vikes was probably the premier run/catch option in the 70s - even led the league one year in receptions.
Foreman should have been the first example I mentioned but had a brain fart.
Foreman should have been the first example I mentioned but had a brain fart.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 1:07 pm to DiamondDog
Watched all those Niner teams in the 80s and Craig was an important cog in the wheel but you always felt, someone else could be back there and do similar equally well or better.
He was never, lets feed Craig, lets just ride Craig type of back.
In fact, the one time that everyone remembers when the Niners tried to feed Craig to run out the clock on their way to the Super Bowl was the NFC Title game...
Craig infamously fumbled the ball back to the Giants with under 3 minutes to go on 1st down at the Giants 40 yard line. Giants kicked a FG as time expired to go to the SB. Cost the Niners a 3- peat.
It was Craig's last game as a Niner as they left him unprotected and he signed with the Raiders the next year as the Niners used a slew of running backs to finish 11th in rushing the next season which was a substantial improvement from the year before.
Not saying he's not deserving, and good for him for a good career and one fumble should not define that career of course but he wasn't indispensable but a part of the Niners machine. Maybe he didn't get in 15 years ago because the ones who voted then, actually covered him and still remembered his fumble and saw him differently than new voters who rely on time, distance and stats and a new narrative. Time heals all wounds. He's not a bad choice, just a reflection on the lack of stability and structure in the Hall election process.
He was never, lets feed Craig, lets just ride Craig type of back.
In fact, the one time that everyone remembers when the Niners tried to feed Craig to run out the clock on their way to the Super Bowl was the NFC Title game...
Craig infamously fumbled the ball back to the Giants with under 3 minutes to go on 1st down at the Giants 40 yard line. Giants kicked a FG as time expired to go to the SB. Cost the Niners a 3- peat.
It was Craig's last game as a Niner as they left him unprotected and he signed with the Raiders the next year as the Niners used a slew of running backs to finish 11th in rushing the next season which was a substantial improvement from the year before.
Not saying he's not deserving, and good for him for a good career and one fumble should not define that career of course but he wasn't indispensable but a part of the Niners machine. Maybe he didn't get in 15 years ago because the ones who voted then, actually covered him and still remembered his fumble and saw him differently than new voters who rely on time, distance and stats and a new narrative. Time heals all wounds. He's not a bad choice, just a reflection on the lack of stability and structure in the Hall election process.
This post was edited on 2/7/26 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 2/7/26 at 1:21 pm to DiamondDog
I don’t think Craig was worthy of the hall of fame.
He was good for a long time though. And he was one of the first that was a true threat through the air.
But he thrived because of the system he was in.
He was good for a long time though. And he was one of the first that was a true threat through the air.
But he thrived because of the system he was in.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 2:39 pm to moneyg
Emmit Smith
LT
Walter Payton
Jim Brown
John Riggins
Marcus Allen
Adrian Peterson
Marshall Faulk
Shaun Alexander
Barry Sanders
All have double the rushing TDs that Roger Craig had.
Craig's 56 career rushing TDs is almost the same as Tiki and Marion Barber.
Add in his receiving TDs and he still has less than Shady McCoy.
Deion might've been right about one thing...the way Hall voting has been going, there needs to be separate tiers, levels in the Museum...as you can can see from my list above...that's a completely different stratosphere of players compared to Craig, but they're all in the Hall together.
LT
Walter Payton
Jim Brown
John Riggins
Marcus Allen
Adrian Peterson
Marshall Faulk
Shaun Alexander
Barry Sanders
All have double the rushing TDs that Roger Craig had.
Craig's 56 career rushing TDs is almost the same as Tiki and Marion Barber.
Add in his receiving TDs and he still has less than Shady McCoy.
Deion might've been right about one thing...the way Hall voting has been going, there needs to be separate tiers, levels in the Museum...as you can can see from my list above...that's a completely different stratosphere of players compared to Craig, but they're all in the Hall together.
This post was edited on 2/7/26 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 2/7/26 at 2:56 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I have mixed feelings about this. I understand the argument that he was the first back to do the 1,000/1,000 feat, but beyond that one season what else did he do?
Throw out that 1985 season and do you still have a Hall of Fame back?
Throw out that 1985 season and do you still have a Hall of Fame back?
Posted on 2/7/26 at 3:03 pm to DiamondDog
His career statistics are very identical to Ricky Waters.
I know that more goes into it than just statistics, but I always was a little puzzled by that.
I know that more goes into it than just statistics, but I always was a little puzzled by that.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 5:42 pm to RollTide1987
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Throw out that 1985 season and do you still have a Hall of Fame back?
1988 was his HOF Resume year...AP Offensive POY, 1st Team All-Pro, SB Champ in a thrilling game.
So, here's his two All-Pros:
1985 All-Pro:
1st team: Marcus Allen, Walter Payton
2nd team: Gerald Riggs, Roger Craig
1988 All-Pro:
1st team: Eric Dickerson, Roger Craig
2nd team: Herschel Walker, Ickey Woods
Forget '85 , throw out the 1988 season and you have a HOFer who made ONE 2nd team All-Pro in 1985 , the same as Ickey Woods.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 5:51 pm to DiamondDog
I’d you ever saw him play, you’ll know why he is a HOFer
Posted on 2/7/26 at 6:15 pm to saintsfan22
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He was the only skill position player on the 70's, 80's and 90's all-decade team to not be in.
Is cornerback not considered a skill position?
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