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re: If PI is called on that last play, what happens next?
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:06 am to castorinho
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:06 am to castorinho
Ole Miss should be thankful Miami's top outside corner was thrown out of the game for a bullshite 'targeting' call after letting Ole Miss slide earlier for a similar play.
PI's aren't called on hail mary's.
Better luck next time.
PI's aren't called on hail mary's.
Better luck next time.
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Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:07 am to castorinho
Didn't see the hand on the collar last night.
Also, did the WR tug/push the face mask, right before they entered the endzone?
DB definitely pulls him down, but did WR also grab him to keep him from jumping higher?
I don't think that sideline ref was in any position to see the hand on collar, pull down (WR also lunged for the ball), potential hands to DB's face, or if WR grabbed him.
Would be curious to see where the back judge was and what angle he had
Better ball placement and you have to make that call. Because it was going OOB, and the angle of the sideline official; he probably assumed the WR lunged to the ball instead of being pulled down and trying to adjust to at least make a play there. Can't call what you don't see.
Also, did the WR tug/push the face mask, right before they entered the endzone?
DB definitely pulls him down, but did WR also grab him to keep him from jumping higher?
I don't think that sideline ref was in any position to see the hand on collar, pull down (WR also lunged for the ball), potential hands to DB's face, or if WR grabbed him.
Would be curious to see where the back judge was and what angle he had
Better ball placement and you have to make that call. Because it was going OOB, and the angle of the sideline official; he probably assumed the WR lunged to the ball instead of being pulled down and trying to adjust to at least make a play there. Can't call what you don't see.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:14 am to CU_Tigers4life
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If the line of scrimmage is outside the 15-yard line:
Ball is moved 15 yards forward
No, if the ball is outside the 30 it is moved 15 yards forward, if it inside the 30 it is half the distance to the goal.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:20 am to castorinho
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I disagree here big time. They kept talking about how they were both fighting. Eventually, yes. But go and watch the play again. The DB doesn't just have his hand inside his jersey, he pulls him down. I think if the ball is just a tiny bit underthrowm, they're calling that. I also think if it's just in the middle of the game and not a hail Mary, they're also calling that.
I cannot say that you are wrong, because you are not wrong.
It looks like DPI to me, but, the Officials and the Rules are sort of spongey and gooey and who knows how to nail Jello to the wall?
As an aside, what I notice in the NFL and the Pro College League is this: Defenders working against Receivers when the ball is in the air are taught to hook one of the the Receiver's arms or hands making it impossible for the Receiver to make a two handed catch AND this is more often than not NOT noticed or called a Penalty by the Refs.
"Hand fighting", "mutual hand combat" - what do those things even mean anymore? Isn't the Rule that when the Forward Pass is in the air, catchable and on the way to the Receiver, it is Illegal to try to grab or touch the Receiver's arms or hands?
The Rules in American Football are quite spongey.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:20 am to Marciano1
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PI's aren't called on hail mary's.
It's an "unwritten rule" and maybe for the best.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:38 am to Lexis Dad
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It was
Most times, I agree. But the db grabbed his jersey and pulled him down aggressively, preventing him from trying.
Its insane refs let that go simply because its last play. Every single other second of any game, that would be called. Its blatant cheating.
I was all in on Miami, so im not butthurt..but that was interference all day, every day.
It wasn't casual hail mail shite. Our db, faced the reciever, grabbed him clearly, and yanked his reare should down to the ground, or else ge absolutely would have at least gotten hands on the ball.
Worst of the whole play was the safety coming over to help, and didn't even touch the ball when trying to swat it....very weird
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:39 am to castorinho
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I disagree here big time
And.I disagree with your disagree
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he pulls him down. I
Look.at the video again. 24 releases his left hand off of #1 to play the ball as it.was in its downwards arc. Even when 24 had his hand on #1's jersey, he never physically restricts #1's movement. And he was always playing the ball. One of the tenets of DPI is "grab and restict." The grabbing was there, but very little restriction. And both were hand-fighting. #1's momentum takes him to the ground more than anything. Like I said earlier, in a game-ending. Hail Mary situation, anything short of a no-doubt, 100% mugging or egregious early contact does not warrant a foul.
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I also think if it's just in the middle of the game and not a hail Mary, they're also calling that.
Agreed.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:45 am to Champagne
I know you’re entertaining the best-case scenario for the cryers, but wouldn’t the correct call be offsetting PI and redo down? Defender and WR both were grabbing and holding each other.
FWIW I do think it’s kind of shitty that the rules expert ref guy on the cast basically said the rules don’t matter on the final play. A foul is a foul whenever it happens.
It just looked to me like both participants were interfering with each other. Letting them play is fine, offsetting PI and redo down would be fine. Not seeing how it can turn into one side getting the call and not the other, though.
FWIW I do think it’s kind of shitty that the rules expert ref guy on the cast basically said the rules don’t matter on the final play. A foul is a foul whenever it happens.
It just looked to me like both participants were interfering with each other. Letting them play is fine, offsetting PI and redo down would be fine. Not seeing how it can turn into one side getting the call and not the other, though.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:50 am to lsupride87
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Because it was in the EZ, It would be first down at the 1.
Crazy that people have such strong opinions about sports, NCAA Football in this case, and don't have an understanding of basic rules that have been in place forever.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:53 am to castorinho
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. I also think if it's just in the middle of the game and not a hail Mary, they're also calling that.
But I'd want every DB on my team doing EXACTLY what Miami did...no easy fluke touchdowns...grab, pull, whatever... Let the refs have the balls to call a controversial PI on a Hail Mary which they've probably done ONCE in the history of football or 1% of the time...guessing... But go look up and find us "infamous calls on Hail Mary's in important games" and you'll probably find zero.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:01 am to Champagne
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So it would still be a "Hail Mary" situation from the 20 yard line. One untimed play from the 20 yard line. Sure, Chambliss is good enough to make that TD throw from the 20, but, since the Defense knows that it's the final play of the game barring Defense Penalty, they need not defend the whole field.
That’s why you throw a delayed slip screen to your hub and pray for Lacy to get to the end zone instead.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:04 am to OKBoomerSooner
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I do think it’s kind of shitty that the rules expert ref guy on the cast basically said the rules don’t matter on the final play. A foul is a foul whenever it happens.
There is a set of have and have-nots we follow as officials known as officiating philosophy.
Not calling a foul in a Hail Mary situation is one of the have-nots in our philosophy.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 11:06 am to VermilionTiger
VermilionTiger
Posted on 1/9/26 at 12:36 pm to castorinho
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I disagree here big time.
I know. Is that why you didnt show the video from the opposite angle? Ya know the angle that showed the Ole Miss WR with his left hand firmly locked onto the collar of the DB
Notice when the DB leapt up, he suddenly was pulled back down? So that he couldnt deflect the ball. That was clearly OPI.
Thats why there was no flag
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it was interference 100%, if he doesn't pull him down, i think he catches it
Posted on 1/9/26 at 2:51 pm to OKBoomerSooner
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but wouldn’t the correct call be offsetting PI and redo down
No I don't think so but I'm just a naked fat guy typing on his computer eating
Cheetos.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 3:05 pm to Champagne
That pass wasn’t a Hail Mary.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 3:24 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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This situation, keeping the flag in the pocket was the right call.
Absolutely.
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WR made a lunge to the ball. Appeared to be a little jersey grab there, but not enough to warrant the call without better ball placement
I thought the grab was in response to a shove as the WR lunged. it was all tit for tat to me. But I have not rewatched to play so I may be misremembering. I do think it was definitely a proper no-call situation.uation.
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