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Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:26 pm to The_Joker
Any relation?
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:52 pm to rebelrouser
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There is an entire movement now that wants to establish northern Africans as black. They aren't/weren't.
this
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:54 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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He looks like Robert Downey Jr's character blackface in tropic thunder is playing whiteface in gladiator 2.
I thought Joseph Quinn resembled Robert Downey Jr. a lot when I watched A Quiet Place: Day One this weekend. The way he acts even reminds me of him.
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:06 pm to rebelrouser
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You know what your map is missing? Black people.
Your claim is that Northern Africa doesn’t have black people…
Wow.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 5:57 am to Hester Carries
I think he was specifically talking about Washington being a brother.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 6:50 am to Ace Midnight
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But, Gladiator's score was the right balance between bombastic and nuanced and functions as an indispensable character to the film (similar to my thoughts about Blade Runner and Vangelis) - and it has the benefit of not being overshadowed by the pop songs like Lion King.
At least, that's my $0.02 on it.
It is one of the best for surround sound/ blowing the windows out of the house
Love how it works with the movie
Posted on 7/2/24 at 7:56 am to skrayper
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Your claim is that Northern Africa doesn’t have black people…
they had very little back then. Sahara was a beast to cross. I don't know why people can't understand this.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 10:51 am to The Ramp
Were we bitching about the blacks in first Gladiator 24 years ago?
I’m all against the DEI shite forced down our throats these days but this ain’t it.
Who gives a frick about Denzel’s origins in this movie
I’m all against the DEI shite forced down our throats these days but this ain’t it.
Who gives a frick about Denzel’s origins in this movie
Posted on 7/2/24 at 10:51 am to The Ramp
They were rare, but not completely missing from the Roman Empire.
They were rare enough that a gladiatorial event that consisted of them would be the main event.
And would be very rare expensive.
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Cassius Dio. Roman History LXII 3: "Nero admired him for this action and entertained him in many ways, especially by giving a gladiatorial exhibition at Puteoli. It was under the direction of Patrobius, one of his freedmen, who managed to make it a most brilliant and costly affair, as may be seen from the fact that on one of the days not a person but Ethiopians — men, women, and children — appeared in the theatre."
They were rare enough that a gladiatorial event that consisted of them would be the main event.
And would be very rare expensive.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 11:00 am to Frac the world
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Were we bitching about the blacks in first Gladiator 24 years ago?
I’m all against the DEI shite forced down our throats these days but this ain’t it.
Who gives a frick about Denzel’s origins in this movie
Nobody complained about it because the main black guy in the movie was someone who had been sold out of his home country in Africa and traded along the way as a gladiator slave.
Denzel is playing the part of a Numidian. The Numidians weren't black. They were Berbers so they did not have the skin tone of sub-Saharan Africans.
This should be the time when Algerians and other North African people begin to protest Hollywood for ignoring their culture.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 11:15 am to donut
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Denzel is playing the part of a Numidian.
Did you read this in the article or are you just assuming? From the article, only the opening of the movie happens in Numidia and Lucius is brought back to Rome as a POW to become a gladiator. He would most likely meet Denzel’s character there.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 11:24 am to Frac the world
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Who gives a frick about Denzel’s origins in this movie
Settle down Beevis. I'm just saying don't make excuses for it.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 12:40 pm to Esquire
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Did you read this in the article or are you just assuming? From the article, only the opening of the movie happens in Numidia and Lucius is brought back to Rome as a POW to become a gladiator. He would most likely meet Denzel’s character there.
It is not in the article, but the real Macrinus was from the Numidian region and was a Berber. My fault for making assumptions.
After going back and reading the article, this is going to be a shite show regarding history. The first movie was great and was able to overcome some glaring historical inaccuracies, but Ridley Scott has given the finger to history in Gladiator 2.
From the article:
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Lucius has a wife and child, and lives a relatively peaceful life with them until conquerors from his homeland begin to encroach. “He’s taken root in a seacoast town in Numidia. He’s a blue-eyed, fair-skinned man with red hair, and he couldn’t be more different from the inhabitants,” Scott says. “It’s one of the last surviving civilizations, as the Romans begin to descend in North Africa and take it all over.”
What? Numidia and the rest of North Africa had been under Roman control for over 200 years by the time this movie takes place (assuming it's somewhere between 180-215 AD)
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Two relatively young brothers rule the vast empire, with Fred Hechinger (Thelma) as Emperor Caracalla and Joseph Quinn (Stranger Things) as Emperor Geta. Scott says they threaten Lucilla’s wellbeing as a means of controlling Acacius. “They’re using her as a little bit of leverage if they have to,” the filmmaker says. “Caracalla and Geta are twins and are definitely damaged goods from birth.” Their leadership is a harbinger of the end of centuries of Roman dominance in the ancient world, and Scott says they were a kind of reversal of the legend of two brothers raised by a wolf mother, who were said to be founders of Rome: “This moment is wobbling along on all the brutality, cruelty, and wastefulness, and the two princes, of course, pay no attention. In a funny kind of way, they’re almost a replay of Romulus and Remus.”
Lucilla lived from 150-182
Lucius 161-169
Geta from 189-211 (Emperor: 209-211)
Caracalla from 188-217 (Emperor: 198-217)
As it clearly can be seen, Lucilla and Lucius were long dead by the time Geta and Caracalla ruled Rome.
I wonder if Scott is also going to ignore that Caracalla hated his brother Geta, so much so that he had Geta killed.
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Denzel Washington plays a dashing powerbroker named Macrinus. “Denzel is an arms dealer who supplies food for the armies in Europe, supplies wine and oil, makes steel, makes spears, weapons, cannons, and catapults.
In real life, Macrinus was the head of the Praetorian Guard and led the plot to overthrow and kill Caracalla. In fact, Caracalla was stabbed while he took a leak on the side of the road while marching his troops East.
As a result, Macrinus became the new Emperor of Rome. I wonder if Scott is going to have Denzel's Macrinus become Emperor at the end of this movie.
I don't understand why Scott has to make up Roman history. He could have made a really good movie with the story of Geta and Caracalla without having to change much.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 12:50 pm to BluegrassBelle
Is Denzel gonna try a British accent? It would be funny if he just used his Training Day character as a Roman era criminal.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 12:53 pm to donut
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I don't understand why Scott has to make up Roman history. He could have made a really good movie with the story of Geta and Caracalla without having to change much.
He did the same thing for Kingdom of Heaven. There was a good plot in place but insisting on artistic liberties
Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:03 pm to donut
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I don't understand why Scott has to make up Roman history.
This interview was right after Napoleon.
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This is also the interview where he directly addresses a couple of the historical inaccuracies in the movie, like how Josephine was six years older than Napoleon while Vanessa Kirby is 13 years Phoenix’s junior (“I don’t think it matters”). And so what if he never fired a cannon at the pyramids? “I don’t know if he did that, but it was a fast way of saying he took Egypt.”
Scott tells the Times that “there’s a lot of imagination” in history books. “When I have issues with historians, I ask: ‘Excuse me, mate, were you there?” he questions. “No? Well, shut the frick up then.’
Scott makes historical fiction. He doesn’t care about being accurate.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:32 pm to Esquire
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Scott tells the Times that “there’s a lot of imagination” in history books. “When I have issues with historians, I ask: ‘Excuse me, mate, were you there?” he questions. “No? Well, shut the frick up then.’
WTF is he talking about. Historians don't just make shite up. History is based on primary accounts from the past. A historian could say, "we could imagine Napoleon shooting at a pyramid", but a good historian would follow up with "but we have no evidence of that actually happening"
Shooting a cannon at one of the pyramids is an entire different thing that ignoring the life span of historical figures and just throwing them together in the same time period for a movie.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:37 pm to donut
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I don't understand why Scott has to make up Roman history. He could have made a really good movie with the story of Geta and Caracalla without having to change much.
This is what I find fascinating about history. The real story is almost ALWAYS better than the made up one.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:36 pm to Madking
quote:Russell Crowe was great in it. By far, the best thing in the movie. He was believable as the general, who just wanted to go home to his family. He was also believable as the bad arse gladiator who killed to stay alive.
The heartbeat of the first one was Maximus’ arc and all the changes he went through until he reached the end. That arc is why audiences connected with the movie on such a lasting, emotional level.
Another reason I loved the movie was hearing the story of Nick Saban making it available, playing over, and over, on pay-per-view, to the LSU players rooms the night before the 2000 Peach Bowl. The Proximo "Win the crowd" speech fits the program well. The Tigers were down 14-3 at the half, but the crowd never gave up on the Tigers, and the Tigers scored 25 unanswered points to beat GaTech in Atlanta. After a 1st half that featured a terrible Tiger offense, and a drunk upper deck LSU fan throwing a whiskey bottle into the endzone after a GaTech TD, the crowd took over the stadium, and stayed thru the trophy presentation and Brady James winning the MVP award the week his father died.
As far as I'm concerned, the 2003 UGA @ LSU game was a sequel to Gladiator. The loudest the crowd got that day was after Georgia tied the game at 10-10 with 4:30 left in the game. The crowd knew LSU was going to score and win, and the team knew it too.
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