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Posted on 5/5/23 at 4:02 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Yes that is true. They actually have video of one of Sheeran's people taking his guitar out of court.
This display of showmanship rivaled OJs modeling his glove. Sheeran demonstrated how he developed the song and explained why they differed….but the jury was barred from hearing Marvin Gaye’s version of the recording.
Posted on 5/5/23 at 7:17 pm to lsuconnman
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This display of showmanship rivaled OJs modeling his glove. Sheeran demonstrated how he developed the song and explained why they differed….but the jury was barred from hearing Marvin Gaye’s version of the recording.
Sounds like what John Fogerty did when he was sued for The Old Man Down The Road
Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:08 am to EF Hutton
You get paid based on melody and lyrics. That’s it. No case here as far as I’m concerned.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 8:33 am to EF Hutton
The plaintiffs’ attorney in the Sheeran case is a charlatan.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 9:46 pm to EF Hutton
It was a blatant rip off, from the chord structure, drumbeat, bassline, and tempo. The melody over the top is different but that's not the point. Even Radiohead had to pay the publishers of the Air that I Breathe over Creep having the same beat and structure and then Lana del Ray had to pay Radiohead for some song that copied Creep.
This post was edited on 5/7/23 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:49 am to Othello
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It was a blatant rip off, from the chord structure, drumbeat, bassline, and tempo
the chord structure, but not the same chords. A half step off on the key from what I've seen in Rick Beato's vids on it. The drum beat is very similar, but the Sheeran version is actually slightly different and a little simpler. There are more ghost note fills that I heard in Gay's version. So the chords aren't exactly the same, the drum beat isn't exactly the same, the melody greatly different. The total arrangement is different due to the chorus.
I can see how they may have been influenced. But I can also see how this could occur completely naturally. I play a little guitar (very little) and also know from youtube vids that Sheeran picks basic chords in his songs. He did it again here. It's not out of the realm that he's going to fall into a similar pattern as something previous. I've played drums on and off since I was 5. I'd bet more than 50% of the time on simple songs, you can hear a drumless track of a song and come up with pretty close to the main beat. So I think it's very plausible that happened here too.
I'm not saying he didn't take from the song. I don't know. I just don't think what I've heard is enough to prove it.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 4:20 pm to EF Hutton
Not as bad as Chris Stapleton Tennessee Whiskey with Etta James I'd Rather Go Blind
Posted on 5/8/23 at 6:01 pm to Othello
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It was a blatant rip off, from the chord structure, drumbeat, bassline, and tempo.
None of that matters. Sadly you don’t get paid for chord structure, drumbeat, bassline, and tempo. A lot of musicians wish that they did, but they don’t. If that stuff mattered, there would be only one blues based band.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:03 pm to wareaglepete
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None of that matters. Sadly you don’t get paid for chord structure, drumbeat, bassline, and tempo. A lot of musicians wish that they did, but they don’t. If that stuff mattered, there would be only one blues based band.
Except, as I said, Radiohead literally had to pay for the Hollies the Air that I Breathe because of a similar baseline and drumbeat. And it's basically the same chords but different melody. Then Lana del Ray had to pay Radiohead, again for the beat and bassline.
So there was a precedent set already.
You telling me if someone did the bassline to Another One Bites the Dust in a song that that wouldn't be a rip off.
Many bands have sampled Funky Drummer by James Brown and had to pay just for the beat.
Hell George Harrison got sued over My Sweet Lord and that was such bullshite.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 5/9/23 at 8:50 am to EF Hutton
This is some bullshite if you ask me. I don’t care for Sheeran but what a shitty precedent being set. It goes against the spirit of songwriting which inherently steals. I’ve seen a video of sheeran saying how similar most pop songs are, and he is right. Just because he understands the formula shouldn’t make him a target.
It’s strictly a money grab and has no basis in protecting an artists style. As if Marvin Gaye had some unique groundbreaking musical style - musically, this is a very simple song. When it was written, artists weren’t suing eachother but it is simple enough to have been done before.
The only claim for damages is just a piece of this song since it’s similar, total money grab.
It’s strictly a money grab and has no basis in protecting an artists style. As if Marvin Gaye had some unique groundbreaking musical style - musically, this is a very simple song. When it was written, artists weren’t suing eachother but it is simple enough to have been done before.
The only claim for damages is just a piece of this song since it’s similar, total money grab.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:16 am to OceanMan
Lennon-McCartney never sued the Offspring for Get a Job. John Lennon in an interview basically said rock and pop musicians lift from each other and Paul never denied it.
If Lennon-McCartney never sued over Get a Job then no one else should.
If Lennon-McCartney never sued over Get a Job then no one else should.
Posted on 5/9/23 at 2:29 pm to Othello
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Except, as I said, Radiohead literally had to pay for the Hollies the Air that I Breathe because of a similar baseline and drumbeat. And it's basically the same chords but different melody.
Then they had a shite lawyer. You can’t only pay musicians for their melody and lyrics on a song and then sue them for copying beats, bass lines, and chord structures. That should not stand legally. If you can’t make some kind of copyright claim to a chord structure, how can that stand? Can I copyright a I-IV-V in G? There’s a million songs with that structure.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 10:07 am to Hester Carries
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No one with any actual brain or understanding of music thinks it’s even remotely close.
This is a dumb statement. Two things can be true at the same time: the two songs have some melody similarities while not being a knock off.
The suit was dumb, because it's clear these are two different songs. Musicians do "steal" chords and melodies all the time throughout the history of music, because it's impossible for us all to hear these things and not subconsciously have them come out in our music when composing it. Some musicians outright talk about stealing ideas from other musicians' music (Maynard admits this to Beato in an interview).
What V Ice did was take an exact bassline and drum sequence from Under Pressure and add one extra beat to it to claim it was different. This was a direct steal and rip off that he stupidly tried to claim wasn't. That is vastly different from the Sheeran and Gaye comparison as this was not a direct ripoff. It's just something that shared similarities.
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