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re: Draft lottery
Posted on 5/15/23 at 4:15 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 5/15/23 at 4:15 pm to brmark70816
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I just saw a video about Wembenyama. I do not want.
Add this to the list of the 8,738 ridiculously stupid takes you've had this year. Wemby is an ELITE prospect. You don't pass on talent like his to play it safe.
The top 3 of this class are elite prospects. All should make multiple all-star appearances. We'd be lucky to land any of them.
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 4:51 pm to brmark70816
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I'm not really big on anyone this draft. Seems like a weak crop. Tons of wings, which we don't need. I'd be interested in trading our pick..
If you said that about scoot. I agree he seems all talent and that's it right now.
Miller looks like the next sure fire wing prospect, athletic with a shooting touch and solid defense. He'd go #1 in a lot of years
Posted on 5/15/23 at 6:34 pm to RUFshreve
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 6:35 pm to htran90
Wemby’s body scares the shite out of me but I’m still taking him #1 every single time. Scared money don’t make money
Posted on 5/15/23 at 7:29 pm to htran90
Miller isn’t a sure fire wing. He was terrible in the tournament
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:57 pm to duyp
Wemby will be the better long term player but I think Scoot and Miller are more impactful year one
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:40 pm to BallHawk
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Wemby will be the better long term player but I think Scoot and Miller are more impactful year one
Idk, Wemby’s defensive impact is going to be crazy. 7’5 with an 8ft wingspan and can slide his feet on the perimeter. He’s going to be able to alter shots and protect the rim at a high level from the start.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 10:19 pm to Fun Bunch
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Wemby becoming a top 10 all time player is a lock now
This is the video I watched.. LINK
Check it out. Lots I didn't know or think about when it comes to him.
He's going to be the 1st pick. I just wouldn't want to take him. It's the Zion deal all over again..
Posted on 5/15/23 at 10:47 pm to aswemajor
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Setting expectations low so I’m not disappointed
New Pelicans Twitter bio?
Posted on 5/15/23 at 11:08 pm to brmark70816
quote:Wow, your ignorance about the NBA really shows in your posts. He is probably the most hyped prospect since Lebron and you act as if he is a bum.
I just saw a video about Wembenyama. I do not want. Holmgren was bodying up that guy. Plus there are major concerns about his feet. He elected to play on a lesser level this past season. Just too many warning signs.
I'm not really big on anyone this draft. Seems like a weak crop. Tons of wings, which we don't need. I'd be interested in trading our pick..
Posted on 5/16/23 at 1:49 am to TigerinATL
Yes, Griffin was lucky to draft Bennett and...Zion , 2 injury prone
You were sarcastic i guess.
You were sarcastic i guess.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 5:30 am to NOSHAU
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Wow, your ignorance about the NBA really shows in your posts. He is probably the most hyped prospect since Lebron and you act as if he is a bum.
You obviously didn't read what I posted or gave it any critical thought. Do you really believe that I haven't seen his ratings or seen his hype? That's an odd thing to say.
I was and still am a huge Holmgren detractor. I don't like super tall rail thin players. The frame and appendages are not made for athletic performance. They have a limited shelf life and a ticking clock. There is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid that situation..
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:05 am to NOSHAU
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Wow, your ignorance about the NBA really shows in your posts. He is probably the most hyped prospect since Lebron and you act as if he is a bum.
So was Zion and the only thing he's done is warp the bench
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 7:06 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:48 am to NOSHAU
He deserves the hype, but it's simply b/c of his body and athleticism, which without a doubt counts for a lot here.
But he's playing in a shite league, on a shite team, against shite opponents. and that might not matter, but there's a big difference between him playing for the worst team in France and being ok, and a guy like Luka playing for Real Madrid since he was 13, winning MVPs as a kid, and was playing professionally at 16 for a top Euro club winning MVP of the Euro league at 18, the youngest ever, and also winning the Euro league title.
Wemby is playing for the worst team in France, and left an ok team in France b/c he wasn't getting enough playing time so he went to the worst team to showcase himself for the NBA.
Maybe it'll work out, b/c talent usually trumps all, but is he really that much more talented than NBA players? He is going to struggle for a good 2-3 years b/c he's never played against a 6'6" guard that's going to block his shite at the rim. You think Joel Embiid is going to let him just waltz around him and dunk on him?
and as much as everyone tauts his shooting, he's a terrible 3 point shooter. 30% is terrible, and that's against shitty opponents. People just assume he'll get to the league and be a good shooter. skinny tall Durant shot 40% from 3 in his 1 year in college. Porzingis shot 36% from 3 as a 20 year old in his last year in Europe, and his 3P% for his nba career is 36%.
To me the shooting is the biggest thing that no one seems to want to talk about. All you see is highlights of him making shots, but he's been a pretty terrible shooter.
But he's playing in a shite league, on a shite team, against shite opponents. and that might not matter, but there's a big difference between him playing for the worst team in France and being ok, and a guy like Luka playing for Real Madrid since he was 13, winning MVPs as a kid, and was playing professionally at 16 for a top Euro club winning MVP of the Euro league at 18, the youngest ever, and also winning the Euro league title.
Wemby is playing for the worst team in France, and left an ok team in France b/c he wasn't getting enough playing time so he went to the worst team to showcase himself for the NBA.
Maybe it'll work out, b/c talent usually trumps all, but is he really that much more talented than NBA players? He is going to struggle for a good 2-3 years b/c he's never played against a 6'6" guard that's going to block his shite at the rim. You think Joel Embiid is going to let him just waltz around him and dunk on him?
and as much as everyone tauts his shooting, he's a terrible 3 point shooter. 30% is terrible, and that's against shitty opponents. People just assume he'll get to the league and be a good shooter. skinny tall Durant shot 40% from 3 in his 1 year in college. Porzingis shot 36% from 3 as a 20 year old in his last year in Europe, and his 3P% for his nba career is 36%.
To me the shooting is the biggest thing that no one seems to want to talk about. All you see is highlights of him making shots, but he's been a pretty terrible shooter.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:28 am to TeddyPadillac
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but is he really that much more talented than NBA players?
Yes?
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he's a terrible 3 point shooter. 30% is terrible, and that's against shitty opponents.
How many 7-3 guys sub-20 are hitting that, even? Same with his FT% climbing over 80% this year. It's not that common, especially at that age.
Again, with Wemby it's all about projection b/c of his frame and age. Nobody is saying he was supposed to be a Luka (who lacked top-notch physical/athleticism talents, which is why he didn't go #1 that year) today. It's the potential of what he'll be at 23-24. That potential is a better version of Ralph Sampson.
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skinny tall Durant shot 40% from 3 in his 1 year in college.
Durant has always been a legit wing. Wenby isn't.
Durant is also a unicorn, essentially.
Wemby is basically a bigger version of Giannis. Why didn't Giannis go #1 in his class? He was super raw and a project, but he's shown that projects can hit and be MVP-level guys. Wenby is a more refined, bigger version of that guy.
Does this guarantee he'll hit? Of course not. He's a likely waking injury issue and may either keep growing or fail to develop his rare skillset for his size and be just a guy. But the risk:potential measure easily makes him the most legit #1 pick since Zion and possibly since Lebron. This potential is super rare.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's the potential of what he'll be at 23-24
Drafting on potential is usually a stupid way to draft.
It's one thing to draft on potential, when you've already seen some of that potential. Take for instance the argument we all had about Murray and Hield. Everyone said Murray had more potential, i was one that said i'd rather Hield b/c you knew exactly what you were getting with him. I was wrong, somewhat. Heild was still a good player, but Murray's potential without a doubt trumped what Hield was. But Murray was a 20ppg and 40% 3 point shooter at an elite school, so he had proven himself a hell of a lot more than Wemby has.
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How many 7-3 guys sub-20 are hitting that, even?
I gave you two examples of the most similar guys to him, Durant and Porzingis. Both of them shot a lot better than Wemby at 20 years old. A lot better.
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Durant has always been a legit wing
yeah, you know why? B/c he shot 40% from 3 his freshman year at Texas.
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Wemby is basically a bigger version of Giannis.
He has no where near the motor Giannis has, nor his speed.
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Why didn't Giannis go #1 in his class?
b/c he couldn't shoot and he played in a crappy 2nd tier Greek league as an 18 year old with very little professional experience, although he did shoot 31% from 3 and 72% from the FT line. Giannis never had the chance to play for a top tier Euro club like Wemby did b/c he wanted to go to the NBA immediately, and he wasn't as highly touted as a 16 year old.
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He was super raw and a project, but he's shown that projects can hit and be MVP-level guys. Wenby is a more refined, bigger version of that guy.
for every 1 that hits, probably 20 of them do absolutely nothing.
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This potential is super rare.
i agree, but the fact that he's never proven it even slightly is a big concern. Like i said, talent usually trmps all at the end of the day though.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:20 am to TeddyPadillac
This is a bad take. It’s not just about projection and potential, he’s shown it on the court too. VW has played very well against other elite prospects in his draft class. He was the best player on the court in the U19 championship game against the USA and outplayed Chet. In October last year his club team played two games against the G-League Ignite, his first time playing by NBA rules, and he was again the clear best player on the court.
Yes his 3p% is lacking, but if you’ve actually watched him play it’s easy to project that he’s going to be a good shooter for his position. His shot selection wasn’t the best from 3 which hurt his %, but his stroke looks good and his FT% is very good for a 7fter. When he’s replacing those pull-up 3s with spot-ups or pick and pops from top of the key, his numbers will be more than adequate.
Yes his 3p% is lacking, but if you’ve actually watched him play it’s easy to project that he’s going to be a good shooter for his position. His shot selection wasn’t the best from 3 which hurt his %, but his stroke looks good and his FT% is very good for a 7fter. When he’s replacing those pull-up 3s with spot-ups or pick and pops from top of the key, his numbers will be more than adequate.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 9:25 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:29 am to Baron
I"m not saying he doesn't have All-star potential. He obviously does. All i'm saying is he hasn't really proven it against anyone worth a shite, which is a concern. Beating a G-League team doesn't say anything, which by the way, his professional team lost.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:38 am to brmark70816
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This is the video I watched.. LINK
Good lord that guys voice and presentation is unbearable. He’s just being a contrarian for clicks. Wemby is one of the highest ceiling and floor prospects since Lebron. Every team in the league would take him #1, but you’re going to take your analysis from some jack leg on Yt.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 9:39 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:41 am to jmcwhrter
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So was Zion and the only thing he's done is warp the bench
….and be one of the most impactful players in the league when he plays.
You all act like finding an MVP level talent is easy and you should avoid anyone with injury risks. If there is a player with the talent to be an MVP candidate, you take them and figure it out.
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