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Summer League MVP
Posted on 7/24/23 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 7/24/23 at 9:47 pm
So how bad did Griff screwup again striking out on an easy slow pitch right over the plate? And before you say blah it’s summer league. Go look at the list of the last ten MVPs. Do you have confidence our pick will ever reach that level?
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Posted on 7/24/23 at 9:48 pm to Townedrunkard
So who was the summer league mvp?
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:07 pm to bigpetedatiga
Cam Whitmore
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:30 pm to Townedrunkard
I mean I agree with you, but should probably name whitmore in your OP
Posted on 7/25/23 at 7:50 am to Townedrunkard
You should get an award for worst off season post. Also bitching about someone who was taken like 6-7 spots later is stupid. While you’re acting like a bitch why not complain that we could have drafted Jokic?
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:04 am to saintslsupels
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You should get an award for worst off season post. Also bitching about someone who was taken like 6-7 spots later is stupid. While you’re acting like a bitch why not complain that we could have drafted Jokic?
Considering the guy we drafted isn’t projected to crack the rotation this season by this board and Whitmore was projected in the top 10, fills a positional need and has a broader, more expansive skill set than Dawkins, it’s a very valid discussion.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:11 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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projected in the top 10
By whom? Dude went 20th.
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fills a positional need
Tell me more about this, please.
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has a broader, more expansive skill set than Dawkins
Explain.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:14 am to saintslsupels
Well, I think he pointed out Whitmore because he was a top 5 talent that fell to us. We, along with several other teams, passed and might end up looking stupid for it.
Have they released the specifics of why he fell? Was it medical, character, both?
Have they released the specifics of why he fell? Was it medical, character, both?
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:14 am to Townedrunkard
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Go look at the list of the last ten MVPs
2023 Cam Whitmore
2022 Keegan Murray
2021 Davion Mitchell
2021 Cam Thomas
2019 Brandon Clarke
2018 Josh Hart
2017 Lonzo Ball
2016 Tyus Jones
2015 Kyle Anderson
2014 Glen Rice
2013 Jonas Valanciunas
2012 Josh Selby
2012 Damian Lillard
2010 John Wall
2009 Blake Griffin
2008 Jerryd Bayless
2007 Nate Robinson
2006 Randy Foye
Your point?
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:39 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
You guys need to accept who this front office is and what they are good at and what they are bad at. Whitmore had injury and motor red flags. This team has proven unsuccessful in developing/fixing unmotivated, chronically injured players. On the flip side they have been very successful in developing self motivated players.
I also think many of you are missing the portfolio/quantity strategy that the team is taking. You focus on the high profile misses like Jaxson/NAW while somewhat dismissing/discounting the impact of the low cost wins like Herb, Jose and even Trey. If this team could stay healthy nobody would be complaining because on paper with injuries turned off, they've added a lot of talent since moving on from Davis/Jrue.
Let's not declare this draft a failure based on summer league. And even if Hawkins flames out in the end, this draft class isn't a failure until Landers Nolley and Liam Robbins go down too. I know some of you are laughing heartily at that last sentence, but nobody expected Jose to play anywhere but Birmingham when he was picked up as a UDFA either.
I also think many of you are missing the portfolio/quantity strategy that the team is taking. You focus on the high profile misses like Jaxson/NAW while somewhat dismissing/discounting the impact of the low cost wins like Herb, Jose and even Trey. If this team could stay healthy nobody would be complaining because on paper with injuries turned off, they've added a lot of talent since moving on from Davis/Jrue.
Let's not declare this draft a failure based on summer league. And even if Hawkins flames out in the end, this draft class isn't a failure until Landers Nolley and Liam Robbins go down too. I know some of you are laughing heartily at that last sentence, but nobody expected Jose to play anywhere but Birmingham when he was picked up as a UDFA either.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 8:43 am
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:42 am to SaintEB
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By whom? Dude went 20th.
By pretty much every mock draft out there. He was pretty much universally looked at as a guy that would go 8th or 9th. He didn't fall because of his game, he fell because of injury concerns and he bombed interviews at the combine. I had him 5th on my big board, seemed like he was around that 4th-6th range on most big boards.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:45 am to TigerinATL
I agree with all of this. Especially with Landers Nolley and Robbins.
15.
14. Kira
13. Zeller
12. Naji
Could become
15. Naji
14. Seabron
13. Landers
12. Robbins
If things workout
15.
14. Kira
13. Zeller
12. Naji
Could become
15. Naji
14. Seabron
13. Landers
12. Robbins
If things workout
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:55 am to CP3forMVP
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By pretty much every mock draft out there.
So, nobody that picks players for a team, that has a job on the line?
My point is that we see this every year in all sports. You have can't misses (Lebron, Zion, Wemby?), then you have the Odens, Fultzs, and Aytons (although the book isn't completely out on Ayton yet, but Luka). For every top 3 flop, there is a Steph Curry, 2nd rounder, or undrafted guy that is contributing more.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 9:04 am to Townedrunkard
We won’t know if anybody screwed up until January Christmas, at the earliest.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 9:25 am to SaintEB
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So, nobody that picks players for a team, that has a job on the line?
The most reputable draft guys are getting their information from teams.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 9:37 am to saintslsupels
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You should get an award for worst off season post. Also bitching about someone who was taken like 6-7 spots later is stupid. While you’re acting like a bitch why not complain that we could have drafted Jokic?
Guessing you didn’t post in the draft thread? Quite a few people, me included, said he should have been the pick draft night. So no it’s not stupid.
Passing on Jokic years ago has nothing to do with something that just happened a month ago. Such an idiotic post and correlation to make.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 9:46 am
Posted on 7/25/23 at 10:03 am to Townedrunkard
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Quite a few people, me included, said he should have been the pick draft night. So no it’s not stupid.
I had him 3rd in the draft and got super geeked when. He dropped.
He's not the best fit for us. But he could have played a ton at the 4 and some 3. Talent wise, it was a no Brainerd
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Passing on Jokic years ago has nothing to do with something that just happened a month ago
One good draft does not negate a bad one and vice versa. Each can be judged on its own. You hope we have more good than bads, but nobody is perfect..
Posted on 7/25/23 at 10:21 am to Townedrunkard
I would have preferred Whitmore over Hawkins at 14, but it very likely won’t make any difference in our 2023 season.
Whitmore is on the fringes of being in Houston’s rotation this year, and will probably receive plenty of DNP-CDs on a 30ish win team. He played well in summer league when most of the “star” players started sitting out. Let’s take his performance with a grain of salt.
Whitmore is on the fringes of being in Houston’s rotation this year, and will probably receive plenty of DNP-CDs on a 30ish win team. He played well in summer league when most of the “star” players started sitting out. Let’s take his performance with a grain of salt.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 10:42 am to Townedrunkard
quote:Miami & GS are arguably the 2 best run front offices in the NBA, and they passed on him as well.
So how bad did Griff screwup again striking out on an easy slow pitch right over the plate?
Posted on 7/25/23 at 10:46 am to DallasTiger45
This idea that every year we will hit on our first round pick regardless of what pick we have is dumb. It’s pretty lazy to look at anyone that was drafted after us and say “well player x got picked after and he looks better than who we drafted”. It’s just a dumb, lazy argument only made by cry babies looking for something to complain about.
Show me a team that every single year hits on their outside top 5 draft pick please. It doesn’t happen, especially in the nba. Our roster has several good players we’ve drafted over the past few years, including some 2nd round and non drafted guys.
Sorry to vent, but it’s such a tired dumb argument that only the loud attention seeking minority make. Whitmore had some medical issues that worried a lot of teams, we’ve had lots of injury problems so we didn’t draft him. Rockets decided to take a risk because it was a late round pick and it worked out for them. Doesn’t mean the sky is falling, please find something else to complain about.
Show me a team that every single year hits on their outside top 5 draft pick please. It doesn’t happen, especially in the nba. Our roster has several good players we’ve drafted over the past few years, including some 2nd round and non drafted guys.
Sorry to vent, but it’s such a tired dumb argument that only the loud attention seeking minority make. Whitmore had some medical issues that worried a lot of teams, we’ve had lots of injury problems so we didn’t draft him. Rockets decided to take a risk because it was a late round pick and it worked out for them. Doesn’t mean the sky is falling, please find something else to complain about.
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