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re: Trey agrees to an extension for 4/112, Griff special, no options
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:57 pm to 50_Tiger
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:57 pm to 50_Tiger
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Now this makes me wonder cap wise if BI is staying and CJ is the one leaving
This was always the optimal scenario. CJ is getting older and is fairly redundant with Trey. I think BI's detractors are going to be surprised at how much more efficient he is with a consistent point leading the offense.
Winning in the NBA is about amassing talent, and BI has a lot of it.
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:59 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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I think BI's detractors are going to be surprised at how much more efficient he is with a consistent point leading the offense.
That is certainly the hopium I'm injecting.
Then CJ's salary, not BI can be used to get a center.
If this dream scenario of Murray making BI/Zion/Trey viable happens, then we just need an average guy at center. That should cost a lot less than CJ, which gives us plenty of room to fill out the bench.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
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then CJ is going to be on the move b/c Hawkins replaces him for cheap.
The same logic of you saying Trey doesn't replace BI can be applied to Hawk not replacing CJ. CJ has averaged over 20ppg, 4rpg, and 5apg during his time with the Pelicans. In no way has Hawk showed the ability to replace that. In fact, I would argue that Trey is much closer to a BI replacement, especially for what we want from BI, than Hawk is at this point to a CJ replacement.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:29 pm to htran90
quote:Which is why it makes zero logical sense to pay BI over $40mil a year.
Your roster would be flawed without a center and a backup PF still,
We didn't give Trey this money to come off the bench the next few years.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:32 pm to htran90
quote:Bruh, I was about the bigger NO on Ayton, and I've talked myself into being fine with getting Ayton in some type of 3 team deal with BI going out.
I'm about to start the Myles Turner hype train again. Last year of his extension.
I'm not proud of that!
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:35 pm to ThePistol
quote:For sure, that's not even a hot take...that' seems obvious to me.
In fact, I would argue that Trey is much closer to a BI replacement, especially for what we want from BI, than Hawk is at this point to a CJ replacement.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:49 pm to Soggymoss
He should fire his agent.
Did you see the Suggs contract? Like how?
Did you see the Suggs contract? Like how?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:51 pm to ThePistol
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The same logic of you saying Trey doesn't replace BI can be applied to Hawk not replacing CJ. CJ has averaged over 20ppg, 4rpg, and 5apg during his time with the Pelicans. In no way has Hawk showed the ability to replace that. I
I'm not talking about Hawkins replacing starting CJ.
CJ is going to get moved to a bench role if Murray/BI/Zion works, b/c Herb isn't going to the bench.
Hawkins can replace bench CJ's shooting ability. I'm not asking Hawkins to be a 20ppg scorer. That's not the role he'd be taking from CJ.
What i'm also referring to is Hawkins provides the same skillset and spacing that CJ does, as well as the same not good defense, which is perfect for a bench player making $5M/yr instead of $30M/yr.
And Murray is the one replacing CJ's starting production numbers. Or if BI is traded, then Murray is still the one replacing BI's starting production numbers, with some help from Trey/Hawk.
Trey is the 6th man regardless, and has his role cut out already as far as production goes, but i'd expect him to pick up some slack without CJ.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:03 pm to shel311
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For sure, that's not even a hot take...that' seems obvious to me.
it seems obvious to many of you, and many of you are wrong.
Trey isn't BI, nor is he capable of being BI.
and that's not a knock on Trey by any means.
And that doesn't mean we aren't a better team by replacing BI with Trey.
But they are not the same player, and Trey was given a chance to replace BI's production at the end of the season and he didn't b/c he's not a play maker. He's a shooter.
If Murray replaces BI's play making, then yes Trey may be a better piece to play with Murray/Zion than BI.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:14 pm to The_Duke
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He should fire his agent.
Did you see the Suggs contract? Like how?
Yeah, he shouldn't have taken our deal. This isn't great for him. He's still a backup, on a bad team, and got less money. I understand securing his future. But he left a lot of money on the table..
Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
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How do you jump to this "obvious" conclusion from this extension? This extension has nothing to do with BI.
You don’t sign Trey to this deal with the idea of him coming off of the bench. Zion is obviously a starter, Herb is obviously a starter, and DJ is obviously a starter… none of them are a center. I don’t buy the bullshite no center stuff that they are pushing as a long term answer at the 5.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:43 pm to TeddyPadillac
I would argue that Bi provides a lot of stuff that we don’t want or need. He can create his own shot, mainly midrange, with multiple dribble moves. He plays with a slow pace and does not make quick decisions. We don’t want or need these things with Zion, Dejounte, Trey, and Herb. We want to play quicker, shoot more threes, and pick up the pace. Think about what the general consensus is for BI this year. The organization wants him to shoot more 3’s and more at the rim. They want him to eliminate the multi dribble mid range shots. Trey is pretty damn good at that role. It is what he is made to do.
Do you really want to pay BI 40ish million to play a Trey like role while Trey is on the team for 4/112? I sure as hell don’t. I want an actual NBA center and quality depth to go along with the core 4. The counter argument is that we will need his shot creating in the playoffs. Well, he just isn’t good enough to do that in the playoffs as a 40 million dollar player. I really don’t understand how anyone can argue the other side.
Do you really want to pay BI 40ish million to play a Trey like role while Trey is on the team for 4/112? I sure as hell don’t. I want an actual NBA center and quality depth to go along with the core 4. The counter argument is that we will need his shot creating in the playoffs. Well, he just isn’t good enough to do that in the playoffs as a 40 million dollar player. I really don’t understand how anyone can argue the other side.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:24 pm to ThePistol
With Murray, you can replace the ball handling and midrange that Ingram provides. So that's why it works and why Ingram can be moved.
The issue is still depth because what happens if Murray is out, we're back to our original problem the past 2 years. Move Ingram and we're even more strained.
If and it's a big if, ingram can play a certain way - the solution is actually to move McCollum between those two. Ideally both, but I'm not sure that's happening
The issue is still depth because what happens if Murray is out, we're back to our original problem the past 2 years. Move Ingram and we're even more strained.
If and it's a big if, ingram can play a certain way - the solution is actually to move McCollum between those two. Ideally both, but I'm not sure that's happening
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:25 pm to htran90
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With Murray, you can replace the ball handling and midrange that Ingram provides. So that's why it works and why Ingram can be moved.
But what happens when they key on Murray? The idea is to have more than one guy that can keep the offense from stagnating.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:28 pm to brmark70816
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Yeah, he shouldn't have taken our deal. This isn't great for him. He's still a backup, on a bad team, and got less money. I understand securing his future. But he left a lot of money on the table..
Frankly, posters on this page overrate Murphy's present abilities. He has potential, but he hasn't proven himself an every night starter yet and y'all are trying to give him #3 money.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Trey was given a chance to replace BI's production at the end of the season and he didn't b/c he's not a play maker. He's a shooter.
Trey is still very much on an upward trajectory, and last season saw significant improvement in the non-shooting parts of his game.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:36 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
He just got #3 money...
Posted on 10/21/24 at 6:51 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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He has potential, but he hasn't proven himself an every night starter yet and y'all are trying to give him #3 money.
But this is how the league has been since the start of the one-and-done era. NBA teams have to pay on potential.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 7:16 pm to brmark70816
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He's still a backup, on a bad team,
Brmark in mid-season form
Posted on 10/21/24 at 7:23 pm to whatiknowsofar
Here's an interesting comp. Is he really worth that much more than TMIII?
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