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re: Saints and Eagles trade draft picks
Posted on 4/4/22 at 8:28 pm to Cheesy Beaver
Posted on 4/4/22 at 8:28 pm to Cheesy Beaver
quote:
why?
Two firsts give them the capital to move up into the top 5. I don’t like it, but that appears to be the most likely purpose.
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Posted on 4/4/22 at 8:39 pm to Fun Bunch
They are not done trading, that's why. I think we bundle one of the first rounds and a big time player to move way up in the draft. Just my opinion.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 8:42 pm to Midget Death Squad
No they made this trade because they have so many holes to fill and this is a win now team. I can see them taking a QB with one of those picks and let them sit a year but they have to draft a left tackle at 16. Penning will be a starter opposite Ramcyzk for years.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:04 pm to LSUPilot07
Just hope we don’t package both of those up to get in top 10
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:15 pm to moock blackjack
My take on the trade:
So this comes down to like many have said trading 2024 first, 2024 second and 2023 3rd for
2023 #16 and 2023 6th round pick
So we obviously do not know what number next years picks will be at. Hopefully late so that may play in part of why we feel confident in pulling the trigger
We have an extra 2023 3rd we got in comp pick so it’s not a true 3rd round pick. We didn’t even anticipate getting an additional 3rd.
Also getting a 1st round player today if the picks are kept has value. Very few rookies have huge impacts. Getting a guy today for an entire year in a program is extremely valuable. You can not just just look at a 2023 with a year of experience = to a 2024 rookie 1st rounder.
Now what I think they have up their sleeve: being that this trade was made now without knowing who was available that far down on the draft, I do not think we are keeping those 2 picks. I believe we either
A. Trade both picks up to get the QB we want or
B. We trade for a Metcalf with one of the picks.
I hold my judgement to see what we do the rest of the way.
So this comes down to like many have said trading 2024 first, 2024 second and 2023 3rd for
2023 #16 and 2023 6th round pick
So we obviously do not know what number next years picks will be at. Hopefully late so that may play in part of why we feel confident in pulling the trigger
We have an extra 2023 3rd we got in comp pick so it’s not a true 3rd round pick. We didn’t even anticipate getting an additional 3rd.
Also getting a 1st round player today if the picks are kept has value. Very few rookies have huge impacts. Getting a guy today for an entire year in a program is extremely valuable. You can not just just look at a 2023 with a year of experience = to a 2024 rookie 1st rounder.
Now what I think they have up their sleeve: being that this trade was made now without knowing who was available that far down on the draft, I do not think we are keeping those 2 picks. I believe we either
A. Trade both picks up to get the QB we want or
B. We trade for a Metcalf with one of the picks.
I hold my judgement to see what we do the rest of the way.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:23 pm to SaintNation
We’re definitely not keeping these picks lol. Why trade up in the middle of the draft where no one knows who will be available? The middle of the draft is no man’s land. If we want a particular player, we would have traded into the top 10 to ensure that they’re available for us to select. Hence, I agree with you. We’re packaging these picks.
This post was edited on 4/4/22 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:29 pm to oncealurker
quote:
We’re definitely not keeping these picks lol. Why try up in the middle of the draft where no one knows who will be available?
You’re trying to speak logic here where logic is an allergen. Are you correct? Yes. Will anyone here listen? Lol
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:39 pm to Midget Death Squad
But why not just sell the farm and go right for a top 5 pick?
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:45 pm to DBG
Who’s to say that we aren’t? The draft isn’t here yet.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:54 pm to oncealurker
I’m saying that if the plan was to package these picks for a much higher pick, why not just skip the middle step and go straight for it?
We could have packaged something and gon straight to the top 5 or 10
We could have packaged something and gon straight to the top 5 or 10
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:56 pm to oncealurker
quote:
Why trade up in the middle of the draft where no one knows who will be available?
Bc they tier the players and are comfortable taking a few different guys? You know there’s going to be like 10 guys definitely off the board already
Posted on 4/4/22 at 9:58 pm to Chadzilla
Already looking forward to the Guard + Tackle melt
Posted on 4/4/22 at 11:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
My melt would be the worst ever seen on this board.
Can't you just feel it though?
I'd love to see them go heavy on WRs and try and convert this offense into a juggernaut with 4 options.
But, we know that won't happen.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 12:37 am to Chadzilla
Its a slight oversimplification, but this trade boils down to a huge roll of the dice contingent on how well the Saints do this season.
In essence, the only way the Saints break even with this trade is to make the NFC Championship game this season. Any less they "lose" the trade, and possibly lose it big.
Lets assume the Saints go 12-5 next season and lose the NFC championship. They will have given up a late 2nd round pick in 2024 and a middle 3rd round pick this year to take the 16th pick this year instead of the ~29th pick next year. Using a typical NFL draft pick trade value calculator, by giving up those 2nd and 3rds to move up 13 spots in the first is still a loss. Some would argue it would be closer to even as they would be putting off the loss of the 2nd pick until 2024, but damn that's a lot of squeeze for little juice. Just to at best break even, they need to come within one win of the super bowl.
On the flip side, should the Saints lose 12 games this season, they will have given up an early 2nd round pick in 2024 and a middle 3rd round pick from this season and the ~6th overall pick next year for that 16th overall this year. This would be huge as they not only sucked on the field, but gave away the one silver lining to sucking....a high first round draft pick.
In all likelihood the Saints will finish somewhere between those two extremes, meaning they only lose the trade by a respectful margin. Just a stupid trade anyway you look at it.
In essence, the only way the Saints break even with this trade is to make the NFC Championship game this season. Any less they "lose" the trade, and possibly lose it big.
Lets assume the Saints go 12-5 next season and lose the NFC championship. They will have given up a late 2nd round pick in 2024 and a middle 3rd round pick this year to take the 16th pick this year instead of the ~29th pick next year. Using a typical NFL draft pick trade value calculator, by giving up those 2nd and 3rds to move up 13 spots in the first is still a loss. Some would argue it would be closer to even as they would be putting off the loss of the 2nd pick until 2024, but damn that's a lot of squeeze for little juice. Just to at best break even, they need to come within one win of the super bowl.
On the flip side, should the Saints lose 12 games this season, they will have given up an early 2nd round pick in 2024 and a middle 3rd round pick from this season and the ~6th overall pick next year for that 16th overall this year. This would be huge as they not only sucked on the field, but gave away the one silver lining to sucking....a high first round draft pick.
In all likelihood the Saints will finish somewhere between those two extremes, meaning they only lose the trade by a respectful margin. Just a stupid trade anyway you look at it.
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 1:16 am
Posted on 4/5/22 at 6:49 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
I personally cannot remember having two glaring holes on the roster and having neither addressed to some positive degree in FA.
The Saints having some serious holes at LT and WR is highly unusual.
FA isn't over yet though.
Aside from 2020 where we signed Emmanuel Sanders, we have had a glaring hole at WR for several seasons now
I hope we sign another WR in FA
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:17 am to Chadzilla
#1 Best receiver available
#1 Alex cross
#2 Safety from Baylor
#3 Wr North Dakota state
#4 Isaiah Spiller or Arizona State rb
#5 Wr from Tulsa
If the Draft starts like this.. we're cooking maybe 3-5 day 1 starters.. on rookie contracts
#1 Alex cross
#2 Safety from Baylor
#3 Wr North Dakota state
#4 Isaiah Spiller or Arizona State rb
#5 Wr from Tulsa
If the Draft starts like this.. we're cooking maybe 3-5 day 1 starters.. on rookie contracts
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 7:20 am
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:23 am to Doug_H
I know the Tackle and We market is high as hell and cap was gonna be ate up sign two premium positions. So I think the draft was our only hope at snatching to young studs early.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:46 am to LSUZombie
I didn’t read the whole thread to see if this has been said already, but this trade is obviously a part of something big that they have in the works.
Nobody, especially on phillys end, would do this trade so far away from the draft unless they had to for another reason. The only reason would be because the saints told them they had to do it now. The only reason the saints would have to do it now is if they needed time to try to work something we don’t know about
Nobody, especially on phillys end, would do this trade so far away from the draft unless they had to for another reason. The only reason would be because the saints told them they had to do it now. The only reason the saints would have to do it now is if they needed time to try to work something we don’t know about
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 7:47 am
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:48 am to BlackTiger89
I am confident that we are not trading these picks for a player like Metcalf. Cost controlled players is the name of the game.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:50 am to Tigerpride18
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Nobody, especially on phillys end, would do this trade so far away from the draft unless they had to for another reason.
Perhaps the reason is that Philly doesn't want to draft three first round rookies this year. They traded one of them for our pick next year. If they weren't planning on moving up with them, it makes more sense to have two first round picks in back to back years, plus picking up a second and a third.
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