- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Tesla wins court case against Louisiana DMV due to corruption
Posted on 8/27/24 at 3:01 pm to TROLA
Posted on 8/27/24 at 3:01 pm to TROLA
quote:
I’m sure this has turned into an anti dealer thread per usual which has some merit but the unintended consequences will raise costs for many when dealerships close, service centers close and rural areas are left to fend for themselves in more than just the buying process. The service side of Tesla is a cautionary tale for many.
My point is that there needs to be a balance and transition, otherwise we end paying for it..
As much as I think dealers should not be mandatory, I also think they shoud not be banned.
If a manufacturer wants to sell direct in big cities, and maintain a dealer network in smaller towns, so be it.
This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 3:02 pm
0
Posted on 8/27/24 at 3:10 pm to TROLA
quote:
I’m sure this has turned into an anti dealer thread per usual which has some merit but the unintended consequences will raise costs for many when dealerships close, service centers close and rural areas are left to fend for themselves in more than just the buying process. The service side of Tesla is a cautionary tale for many.
My point is that there needs to be a balance and transition, otherwise we end paying for it..
If the states repealed legislation protecting dealerships do you think they would all close their doors tomorrow? If so that would be a pretty damning indictment of the industry.
In reality I wouldn’t expect that at all. Again, plenty of manufacturers in other industries choose to sell through independent distributors. But it shouldn’t be a requirement.
I don’t think the Tesla service argument holds water either. You’re talking about one company, operating under a previously untested business model, manufacturing a product that most mechanics have never actually worked on.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 3:39 pm to lostinbr
quote:
I think the dissenting judge’s opinion highlights the issue quite nicely, to be honest:
quote:
"The issue is whether a company can change the composition of a state's regulatory commission because it merely disagrees with state law which the commission is required to enforce," she wrote. "But Tesla cannot use this court as an end-run around the legislative process."
Too bad the dissenting Judge is a leftist hack that does not understand half the issues before her. Under her logic Jom crow laws codified into law on boards could stand.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 4:00 pm to LSUGrrrl
quote:
Texas has the same law.
Its apparently so the dealers can protect us consumers from the big-time car manufactures. It wouldn't be safe to deal with tesla directly without a middleman.
Seems silly to me but I guess I should be glad they know more than I do and are looking out for our best interests.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 4:02 pm to TROLA
quote:
, service centers close
dealer service centers aren't worth a bucket of warm spit.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 4:03 pm to wileyjones
Friend of mine has had 2 Teslas and has driven out of state to get both of them.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 4:33 pm to andwesway
quote:
The dealership model needs to go away.
No we need more layers. Dealerships need to sell to more dealerships and then to customers. It would create more jobs and opportunity for the community.
/s
Posted on 8/27/24 at 4:40 pm to MaDeuce
quote:
That's because there was no negotiation. Tesla doesn't negotiate. You pay the manufacturer's price. If you want to pay MSRP for your car then walk in to any dealership and pay MSRP and you'll be done quicker. Get rid of the dealerships and everyone will pay MSRP from now on because the competition has been eliminated. Then the manufacturers will bump the price to whatever they want.
No… manufacturers already dictate the price, it just comes through the middle man.
Also, nobody is advocating that dealerships be outlawed - only that people shouldn't be forced to buy from a dealership.
This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 8/27/24 at 4:58 pm to YouKnowImRight
You think Manufacturers want to deal with the public? Not everyone has the ability to just order a car and then go pick it up.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 6:03 pm to lostinbr
quote:
If the states repealed legislation protecting dealerships do you think they would all close their doors tomorrow? If so that would be a pretty damning indictment of the industry.
I think rural and less established dealerships will close. The manufacturers will most likely consolidate dealers and squeeze out competition within brands.
quote:
reality I wouldn’t expect that at all. Again, plenty of manufacturers in other industries choose to sell through independent distributors. But it shouldn’t be a requirement.
Name some comparable industries
quote:
don’t think the Tesla service argument holds water either. You’re talking about one company, operating under a previously untested business model, manufacturing a product that most mechanics have never actually worked on
This is what we have to look at as a comparable.. it will of course improve but the dealer model while outdated, has many consumer alternatives over the direct to market model. The service side especially concerning parts, labor and location will change to a more expensive and less efficient model for the consumer IMO..
Posted on 8/27/24 at 6:10 pm to wileyjones
Where does it says anything about the DMV?
Posted on 8/27/24 at 6:32 pm to LordSaintly
quote:
What in the hell is wrong with this state?
Watch Distinguished Gentleman. Different state but same application.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 6:36 pm to theliontamer
Pay MSRP and shut the frick up then.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 8:16 pm to MaDeuce
I see a lot of Teslas on the road. They bought them online, so what's the problem?
Posted on 8/27/24 at 8:27 pm to skeeter1106
quote:
They bought them online, so what's the problem?
Tesla doesn’t payoff the La politicians through their lobbyist.
This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 8/27/24 at 8:45 pm to TROLA
quote:
I think rural and less established dealerships will close. The manufacturers will most likely consolidate dealers and squeeze out competition within brands.
You assume that the manufacturers would all immediately move to direct sales. And even if they did, I’m not sure it makes sense to assume rural dealerships would be the first to get squeezed out. If dealers are setting up their own retail stores, you would think they would set those stores up in population centers, squeezing those dealers out first. Rural dealerships might actually be safer simply due to the fact that manufacturers are unlikely to open dealerships in every single town.
quote:
Name some comparable industries
Heavy equipment is an obvious comparison where you have a combination of some manufacturers who sell direct and some who sell through distribution. Also consumer technology, motorcycles, almost any kind of industrial equipment…
Then there’s a long list of industries where manufacturers choose to sell through distribution despite there being no government mandate in place. Watercraft is an obvious example here.
The chances are that almost anything you buy through an independent distributor other than automobiles is set up that way because the manufacturer made the choice.
quote:
This is what we have to look at as a comparable.. it will of course improve but the dealer model while outdated, has many consumer alternatives over the direct to market model. The service side especially concerning parts, labor and location will change to a more expensive and less efficient model for the consumer IMO..
The only comparison to make with Tesla that’s valid in any way is their service vs. other manufacturers’ service on true EVs. And even that is a stretch, since your sample size is one company that isn’t even allowed to operate service centers in some states because of the same dealer protection laws.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see manufacturers, even those who do choose to sell directly, stick with third party service centers for warranty work. Ultimately market forces will prevail.
It’s also a bit funny to see concerns about service being more expensive when it already makes very little sense to bring a vehicle to a dealership for almost anything that’s not warranty-related. I would love to know the percentage of the average dealer’s service revenue that comes from customer payments rather than the manufacturer.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 9:53 pm to ChatGPT of LA
quote:
Texas has its shite together. Louisiana is poor as frick and drowning. Sell whatever the frick you can
Please do. I'll keep buying.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 7:29 am to lostinbr
quote:
You assume that the manufacturers would all immediately move to direct sales. And even if they did, I’m not sure it makes sense to assume rural dealerships would be the first to get squeezed out.
I’m not assuming. I’m giving an opinion and don’t believe I ever provided a timeframe.
quote:
Heavy equipment is an obvious comparison where you have a combination of some manufacturers who sell direct and some who sell through distribution. Also consumer technology, motorcycles, almost any kind of industrial equipment…
I believed this would be your analogy but they are even in the same realm.heavy equity ment is a specialty that relies on outside sales
Tesla is the only widespread comparison. That’s not really debatable unless you can provide a comparable
Posted on 8/28/24 at 12:42 pm to el Gaucho
quote:
Seems like some of you liberals forgot what happened last time they banned states rights
1) I'm not liberal. I just don't agree any government should be able to tell me what I want to drive, buy, or shoot.
2) Less government is better.
I guess I'm an old school conservative. I don't want any government telling anybody what to do. If you want to drive an I-Car.....I don't care. If you want to dress like a woman....I don't care. And neither should the government. All you new age conservatives are as bad as the liberals, yall act just like them. "I want a law that says someone can't do something. I want these books banned." Bunch of crying about governmental control.
This post was edited on 8/28/24 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 8/28/24 at 1:22 pm to TigerTatorTots
quote:
-The most american made vehicle brand
-Lowest cost to own brand over both a 5 and 10 year span
-2000 miles in and I;ve spent a grand total of $37 to get those 2000 miles
-0-60 in 2.9 seconds for under $50k is fun
Big caveat - I'd never own this vehicle if we didn't already have a large SUV for road trips, hauling stuff, or just times where I wouldn't be able to complete my route on a single charge. Home charging is the only way to own one of these IMO
Pretty much same. Had to drive to Pensacola to pick up my MYP, used Superchargers on the way home and haven't used one since. It costs me $4 to drive 100 miles/day and I plug it in every night at home and never have to stop for fuel, etc. And it drives me back and forth to work with FSD. Hard to beat that. Even on long trips if you plug in your destination it will route you through Superchargers and you'll be there about 15-20 mins each. Never have to use the brakes with regenerative braking, etc... not telling you anything you don't already know.
Guess that's why the Model Y is one of the safest and the best selling vehicle in the world.
Love to see this court case unfold the way it is.
This post was edited on 8/28/24 at 1:24 pm
Page 4 of 5
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News