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re: We lost an American hero 140 years ago today...
Posted on 7/23/25 at 4:44 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 7/23/25 at 4:44 pm to RollTide1987
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Buckner was also one of Grant's closest friends prior to the outbreak of the war.
I mean, I think Longstreet was in that same tight circle. Longstreet endorsed Grant for President.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 4:51 pm to Spankum
There's a Grant Parish in Louisiana.
I believe that may have been forced, however.
The parish seat is Colfax, named after Grant's VP.
I believe that may have been forced, however.
The parish seat is Colfax, named after Grant's VP.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 4:53 pm to Ace Midnight
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I think Longstreet was in that same tight circle.
He was indeed. Longstreet was in the wedding party at Grant's nuptials and may have even been his Best Man (sources vary). The two were extremely close at West Point and greeted each other after the surrender at Appomattox as if nothing had been going on for the previous four years.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 4:57 pm to RollTide1987
James Longstreet was related to the Dent family that resided on a plantation outside of St. Louis (his mother was a Dent). He would take his buddy Ulysses S. Grant with him when they were both stationed at Jefferson Barracks and Longstreet would go to visit the Dents.
Grant married Julia Dent in 1848. It is unknown if Longstreet stood with him at his wedding, but he was almost certainly present. The Dent family gave Grant a slave as a wedding gift. He later freed that slave at the old St. Louis courthouse after he had been cashiered from the U.S. Army for habitual drunkenness and failed as a farmer in Missouri. That is the same courthouse where the Dred Scott case was decided.
ETA: What many people do not know is that Grant was arguably the best horsemen in either army.
I love Grant. He was responsible for more yankee deaths than Robert E. Lee.
Grant married Julia Dent in 1848. It is unknown if Longstreet stood with him at his wedding, but he was almost certainly present. The Dent family gave Grant a slave as a wedding gift. He later freed that slave at the old St. Louis courthouse after he had been cashiered from the U.S. Army for habitual drunkenness and failed as a farmer in Missouri. That is the same courthouse where the Dred Scott case was decided.
ETA: What many people do not know is that Grant was arguably the best horsemen in either army.
I love Grant. He was responsible for more yankee deaths than Robert E. Lee.
This post was edited on 7/23/25 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:36 pm to F1y0n7h3W4LL
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We have a parish named after him not that the citizens had much say in the matter.
They could have changed it after Reconstruction ended.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:39 pm to Spankum
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You’ll never see a street named after him in the south…
Arkansas has a county named after him. County seat is Sheridan.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:39 pm to RollTide1987
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American hero
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Ulysses S. Grant.
Ehhhhh......
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:40 pm to Spankum
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You’ll never see a street named after him in the south…
That’s not true.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:40 pm to Ace Midnight
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I mean, I think Longstreet was in that same tight circle. Longstreet endorsed Grant for President.
Longstreet was in Grant’s wedding before the war
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:46 pm to RollTide1987
Grant by Ron Chernow was a fantastic read. I was never a fan of Grant (damn yankee) but his story is fascinating, to go from resigning from the Army in disgrace to leading the Union forces and ultimately being president.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:49 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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The Personal Memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant is the autobiography of American President Ulysses S. Grant, focused mainly on the general's actions during the American Civil War.
Written as Grant was dying in 1885, the two-volume set was published by Mark Twain shortly after Grant's death.
The Personal Memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant has been highly regarded by the general public, military historians and literary critics. Grant was a shrewd, intelligent, and effective writer. He portrayed himself in the persona of the honorable Western hero, whose strength lies in his honesty and straightforwardness. He candidly depicts his battles against both the external Confederates and his internal Army foes.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:50 pm to BillyOceans11
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Grant by Ron Chernow was a fantastic read. I was never a fan of Grant (damn yankee) but his story is fascinating, to go from resigning from the Army in disgrace to leading the Union forces and ultimately being president.
I think the efforts to make Lee and Stonewall saints have made them less interesting.
Grant and Sherman both had such big failures and redemption. Reading about them is much more interesting.
I thought Chernow’s book on Twain was interesting after reading his Grant book. Grant and Twain were both schmucks who kept getting swindled in business. It’s no wonder they got along so well.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:52 pm to RollTide1987
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We lost an American hero 140 years ago today
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Ulysses S. Grant.
Ummmm…No.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:01 pm to F1y0n7h3W4LL
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We have a parish named after him not that the citizens had much say in the matter
quote:who the frick calls it that
Lincoln Parish (French: Paroisse de Lincoln)
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The parish was created on February 24, 1873, from parts of Bienville, Claiborne, Union, and Jackson parishes, and its boundaries have changed only once (in 1877). This makes Lincoln Parish one of the Reconstruction parishes.
quote:move it back
The parish seat was Vienna from the parish's creation in 1873 until 1884, when a parish-wide vote moved it to the new railroad town of Ruston
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:02 pm to RollTide1987
How excited are you to make this thread every year
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:07 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Maybe "acquaintances" is a more accurate word...
Grant and Lee were most certainly not friends.
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In his Memoirs Grant described the meeting (at Appomattox) this way, "We soon fell into a conversation about old army times. He remarked that he remembered me very well in the old army; and I told him that as a matter of course I remembered him perfectly, but from the difference in our rank and years (there being about sixteen year's difference in our ages), I had thought it very likely that I had not attracted his attention sufficiently to be remembered by him after such a long interval.
Our conversation grew so pleasant that I almost forgot the object of our meeting. After the conversation had run on in this style for some time, General Lee called my attention to the object of our meeting, and said that he had asked for this interview for the purpose of getting from me the terms I proposed to give his army."
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:18 pm to LSURussian
Worst H.S. named after him
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:52 pm to Ace Midnight
Guy fought one battle during the entire war where he didn’t have overwhelming numbers facing his opposition.
I give him credit for being smart enough to realize all he had to do was throw enough boys at Lee’s front and eventually he couldn’t lose.
As for being a great tactician….not once was he forced to do anything noteworthy such as split his army as Lee did. Hell, he got his arse handed to him the first day at Shiloh when there was a level playing field numbers wise. It took reinforcements on day two to avoid a catastrophe.
I give him credit for being smart enough to realize all he had to do was throw enough boys at Lee’s front and eventually he couldn’t lose.
As for being a great tactician….not once was he forced to do anything noteworthy such as split his army as Lee did. Hell, he got his arse handed to him the first day at Shiloh when there was a level playing field numbers wise. It took reinforcements on day two to avoid a catastrophe.
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