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re: What should happen to this guy in the country illegally
Posted on 3/5/26 at 1:13 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Posted on 3/5/26 at 1:13 pm to Diseasefreeforall
That guy should get a pass IMO.
I wish the government would just cut welfare off. I imagine it'd fix a lot of the illegal immigration problems by spending less money.
I wish the government would just cut welfare off. I imagine it'd fix a lot of the illegal immigration problems by spending less money.
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Posted on 3/5/26 at 1:24 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:
Many in this thread have said already that "if you served and were honorably discharged you should get citizenship"...with that suggestion including any illegals who found their way in.
I think most people are working under the assumption that the military will catch most illegals and prevent them from joining, but if somehow its missed due to the government's own incompetency (like the case in the OP), the individual should not be punished.
That seems obvious to me.
This post was edited on 3/5/26 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 3/5/26 at 1:49 pm to Loup
quote:
I imagine it'd fix a lot of the illegal immigration problems by spending less money.
it would solve our illegal immigrant problem overnight. the vast majority of them are not here to build a better life, but to receive a better life.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 2:18 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:so you would be in favor of enlistment in lieu of deportation for every illegal immigrant?
I'm a firm believer that if you come and serve for this country you should be given a very direct pathway to citizenship. In peace or war time.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 2:21 pm to Dicky
quote:
If you honorably serve in the US military, you should be a citizen. You're already more patriotic than 90% of the country.
frick that. I’m tired of loopholes.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 3:07 pm to Diseasefreeforall
When I went to boot camp back in 04 there was a couple dudes that got their citizenship while there. I think its a cool program. I dont put it past a recruiter to lie about something or be ignorant about certain programs.
I had to change MOS in the middle of boot camp due to the brac process. Everything l thought I was getting when I signed up was gone.
I had to change MOS in the middle of boot camp due to the brac process. Everything l thought I was getting when I signed up was gone.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 3:42 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Needs to leave. Let him reapply. How do you just assume citizenship without following up or getting official documents? Isn’t there usually a ceremony?
Sounds Florida like improved its checks as he obviously had received a DL in the past.
I do bet if he wasn’t white some Dem judge would have been bending over backwards this past year to stop deportation proceedings.
Were there any paid wokesters protesting on his behalf???
Sounds Florida like improved its checks as he obviously had received a DL in the past.
quote:We have been told this could never happen, so no new law required…
Canton went on to marry, have children, work, and build a life in Florida. He has no criminal record. He even voted in U.S. elections — believing he was an American citizen.
I do bet if he wasn’t white some Dem judge would have been bending over backwards this past year to stop deportation proceedings.
Were there any paid wokesters protesting on his behalf???
This post was edited on 3/5/26 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 3/5/26 at 3:45 pm to Diseasefreeforall
We don't need any more Austrians in the Marines.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 3:46 pm to chinhoyang
quote:
Austrians i
crikey mate!! he's from Australia!
ETA: by way of NZ
This post was edited on 3/5/26 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:10 pm to dallastigers
quote:
Isn’t there usually a ceremony?
There was no ceremony for dudes I went to boot camp with. I remember the drill instructor just telling the dude something, like the paperwork was done and then we moved on to getting smoked. If one of them wasn't a guy right next to me I probably wouldnt have even known.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:33 pm to John Casey
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TIL that non-citizens can be recruited into the U.S. Military, which seems insane.
We have being doing that since the beginning.
Marquis de Lafayette was a commander of the American army
Andrew Jackson did it during the War of 1812
The Union had over 200,000 Irish immigrants fighting in the civil war
Thousands of Native Americans served during WW I, and that was before the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.
During the '60-'80s our navy had over 35,000 Filipino nationals
Shalikasvili was Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff didn't become a citizen until after he was in the miltiary. Born in Poland
Posted on 3/5/26 at 5:40 pm to 777Tiger
New Zanzibar?
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:15 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Hopefully Trump will pardon him and move his citizenship through.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:19 pm to Diseasefreeforall
quote:
overstayed his visa
quote:
left the Marines thinking he was a citizen.
quote:
Voting illegally
quote:
He petitioned Biden but never heard back.
Having trouble reading everything you typed, due to all the red flags on my screen
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:23 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:24 pm to John Casey
quote:the actor who played Frasier's father was English and got his citizenship this way
TIL that non-citizens can be recruited into the U.S. Military, which seems insane
many non citizens in the military
illegal aliens are another matter
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:31 pm to Dicky
I agree. I have friends whose parents came here during Vietnam by enlisting then getting citizenship.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 8:33 pm to Diseasefreeforall
He served.
He is one of us.
Next case.
He is one of us.
Next case.
Posted on 3/5/26 at 9:22 pm to kengel2
quote:
There was no ceremony for dudes I went to boot camp with. I remember the drill instructor just telling the dude something, like the paperwork was done and then we moved on to getting smoked. If one of them wasn't a guy right next to me I probably wouldnt have even known.
For their citizenship? Isn’t that usually after they finish their service for the applicable war or conflict?
Before submitting I found the below and that there is a way to revoke naturalization if dishonorably discharged later, so maybe not all are naturalized only after the honorable service (but not sure when law enacted so leaving original question).
quote:
C. Other than Honorable Discharge before Five Years of Honorable Service after Naturalization
A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if:
The person became a U.S. citizen through naturalization on the basis of honorable service in the U.S. armed forces;[8]
The person subsequently separates from the U.S. armed forces under other than honorable conditions; and
The other than honorable discharge occurs before the person has served honorably for a period or periods aggregating at least five years.
Did they get a copy of the naturalization paperwork?
This guy did not ask questions after getting nothing. He obviously signed up for something after the citizenship guarantee was over. I am not sure what he actually proved in court, but it sounds sketchy.
It seems like some who have been naturalized in the past 10 to 20 years needed to have citizenship revoked. Heck some shouldn’t have been granted citizenship in the first place including the Austin murderer who became a citizen under Obama after Clinton let him in.
quote:
A. Person Procures Naturalization Illegally
A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if he or she procured naturalization illegally. Procuring naturalization illegally simply means that the person was not eligible for naturalization in the first place. Accordingly, any eligibility requirement for naturalization that was not met can form the basis for an action to revoke the naturalization of a person. This includes the requirements of residence, physical presence, lawful admission for permanent residence, good moral character, and attachment to the U.S. Constitution.[1]
Discovery that a person failed to comply with any of the requirements for naturalization at the time the person became a U.S. citizen renders his or her naturalization illegally procured. This applies even if the person is innocent of any willful deception or misrepresentation.[2]
B. Concealment of Material Fact or Willful Misrepresentation[3]
1. Concealment of Material Fact or Willful Misrepresentation
A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if there is deliberate deceit on the part of the person in misrepresenting or failing to disclose a material fact or facts on his or her naturalization application and subsequent examination.
In general, a person is subject to revocation of naturalization on this basis if:
The naturalized U.S. citizen misrepresented or concealed some fact;
The misrepresentation or concealment was willful;
The misrepresented or concealed fact or facts were material; and
The naturalized U.S. citizen procured citizenship as a result of the misrepresentation or concealment.[4]
This ground of revocation includes omissions as well as affirmative misrepresentations. The misrepresentations can be oral testimony provided during the naturalization interview or can include information contained on the application submitted by the applicant. The courts determine whether the misrepresented or concealed fact or facts were material. The test for materiality is whether the misrepresentations or concealment had a tendency to affect the decision. It is not necessary that the information, if disclosed, would have precluded naturalization.[5]
2. Membership or Affiliation with Certain Organizations
A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if the person becomes a member of, or affiliated with, the Communist party, other totalitarian party, or terrorist organization within five years of his or her naturalization.[6] In general, a person who is involved with such organizations cannot establish the naturalization requirements of having an attachment to the Constitution and of being well-disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States.[7]
The fact that a person becomes involved with such an organization within five years after the date of naturalization is prima facie evidence that he or she concealed or willfully misrepresented material evidence that would have prevented the person’s naturalization.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 12:10 am to Diseasefreeforall
We need all the British genetics we can get to help this sinking ship. Let him stay FFS
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