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re: Harris WILL take away our guns
Posted on 8/2/24 at 4:16 am to Lonnie Utah
Posted on 8/2/24 at 4:16 am to Lonnie Utah
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this little thing called the Supreme court
Do not count on the courts to save you.
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Posted on 8/2/24 at 7:23 am to civiltiger07
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use of absolutes in arguments
Fair, but the absolute lies in the protection of the Constitution.
Everyone that brings this "they are going to take all the guns away" doesn't understand what all that would entail legally, culturally, and logistically.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 7:47 am to Lizardman2
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Everyone that brings this "they are going to take all the guns away" doesn't understand what all that would entail legally, culturally, and logistically.
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Over several years, Venezuelan authorities chipped away at individual gun rights.As they did so, crime rates crept higher and higher.
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In 2011, then-President Hugo Chávez launched a public disarmament campaign as part of his Presidential Commission on Disarmament, which was supposedly aimed at reducing gun violence. Resolutions were cemented to prohibit possessing guns during cultural and sporting events, as well as on public transportation and construction sites. A 12-month moratorium was also put in place with regard to issuing gun permits.
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The following year, Caracas banned the commercial sales of guns and shuttered the doors of firearms stores across the country. It was mandated that only military, police and security forces could legally own and buy guns.
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Then, in 2012, Maduro signed into law the Disarmament and Arms Munitions Control, which carried the explicit objective to “disarm all citizens.” Chávez initially ran a months-long amnesty program urging Venezuelans to swap their arms for electrical goods; however, only 37 surrenders were recorded, while more than 12,500 guns were seized by force.
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n 2014, a further 26,000 firearms were confiscated or crushed—coincidentally, Venezuela clocked in as having the world’s second-highest homicide rate that very same year. Each year that the gun-control reins were pulled tighter, murder rates increased.
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He pointed out that the very same firearms which were turned over by the law-abiding citizens to the government in the so-called buy-back schemes have, in turn, been given to government-sponsored armed groups that now directly oppress the law-abiding citizens who turned in their guns.
Did you know that Maduro was "reelected" the other day? The 2nd Amendment is there for a reason, its not for hunting or fun.
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Posted on 8/2/24 at 7:58 am to Lizardman2
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Everyone that brings this "they are going to take all the guns away" doesn't understand what all that would entail legally, culturally, and logistically.
lets explore this.
District of Columbia vs. Heller
Private citizens have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful, historically established situations such as self-defense in a home, even when there is no relationship to a local militia.
Heller was a great 2A victory for gun rights! However, it was a 5-4 vote.
So if one Supreme Court Justice changed their vote to the Dissenting side what would that mean for the 2nd Amendment?
Posted on 8/2/24 at 8:20 am to Da #1 Stunna
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You are quite the spineless coward of an American. Weak & Pathetic.
You got me, Da #1 Stunna. Dead to rights.
In the incredibly likely event that Joe Burrow shows up on my doorstep and asks for my firearms, I will immediately return to this thread and admit that I am indeed a spineless coward of an American, both weak and pathetic.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 8:37 am to Tiger Pants 318
The stupidity of this original post surprises me. First, Harris never said that. Second, Harris cannot do that. Finally, the stupidity is based on the fact that a liberal Supreme Court refuse to limit 2nd Amendment after a 40-year majority, yet now people believe a very conservative court would limit the rights provided in the 2nd amendment.
At some point in my life, and I have yet to figure when, common sense and reading comprehension have become rare commodities.
At some point in my life, and I have yet to figure when, common sense and reading comprehension have become rare commodities.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 8:44 am to No Colors
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Spare me the political theatre. No one is coming after your guns.
“Gays just want to get married. They aren’t coming after your children are anything.”
“It’s just two weeks to stop the spread.”
Etc.
The more we rationalize allowing our rights to be eroded, the closer we slip towards a point of no return.
Yes it can happen here. I’m sure the Romans thought the empire would never end.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 8:45 am to cgrand
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I don’t want felons or the mentally ill using the legal market to acquire firearms (yes they can get them elsewhere but so can I). I don’t want domestic abusers, repeat offenders, violent radicals and other jackasses using the legal market either.
Who determines who is “mentally ill”? Our society has really redefined mental illness in the past few years. No way that would ever be abused.
Is it an accusation or conviction on domestic abuse that would disqualify someone? That too would never be abused.
What will be the definition of “violent radical”? No possibility of abuse by a government official, right?
The “other jackasses” is the most concerning comment. What’s your definition there? Just because someone is a jackass doesn’t mean they don’t have the right to own a gun. Again, I’m sure that would be equally applied everywhere to the citizenry.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 9:23 am to civiltiger07
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lets explore this.
Let's. And let's not leave out what it actually takes to repeal an amendment.
There are two ways to repeal an amendment. One way is for the proposed amendment to be passed by the House and the Senate with two-thirds majority votes. Then, the proposed amendment would have to be ratified by three-fourths of the states. The second way to repeal an amendment is to have a Constitutional Convention. It would take two-thirds of state legislatures to call for this convention and the states would draft amendments, which would have to be ratified by three-fourths of the states.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 9:30 am to Lizardman2
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Let's. And let's not leave out what it actually takes to repeal an amendment.
Do you understand what the Heller case was about? Based on your reply I don't think you do.
Heller was not about repealing an amendment. If the dissenting side had received one more vote it would mean that Private citizens DO NOT have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful.
That wouldn't repeal the 2nd Amendment, it would define that the 2nd Amendment essentially applies to the national guard.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 9:37 am to civiltiger07
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Heller was not about repealing an amendment. If the dissenting side had received one more vote it would mean that Private citizens DO NOT have the right under the Second Amendment to possess an ordinary type of weapon and use it for lawful.
I don't understand why this is so difficult to grasp. With today's judiciary the Bill of Rights means whatever 5 people decide that it means, and they'll be as radical as they think they can get away with being. I don't want someone like Harris getting judicial picks.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 9:57 am to NASA_ISS_Tiger
quote:This needs to be repeated more often.
I'm more worried about some conservative SCOTUS judges retiring and being replaced by liberal ones if HeelsUp gets elected than a gun ban.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 2:00 pm to Sixafan
she is welcome to try...
Posted on 8/2/24 at 3:41 pm to White Bear
quote:The Canadian law is their long term plan, and it will work if they can implement it. You can get things grandfathered, but you can't pass them down in inheritance. That means in a generation, gun control will be locked in. All the "I've got what I want" guys, would be the last group to have stuff.quote:
As far another ban, honestly I don’t care. If you are prudent you already have what you want.
Try and look and think past the end of your nose.
The naivety of many of you baws is palpable. It’s as if you haven’t been and/or don’t want to pay attention to what’s afoot.
Posted on 8/2/24 at 8:42 pm to Sixafan
Ain’t takin mine
Posted on 8/3/24 at 8:08 pm to Sixafan
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We, who believe in the freedom to live safe from gun violence
Funny, the constitution doesn’t mention this right
Posted on 8/5/24 at 10:10 am to Sixafan
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Harris WILL take away our guns
No she won't
Posted on 8/5/24 at 3:10 pm to Flats
Right on point. The supposed right to an early term abortion never existed then the court said it did exist snd then the court said it didnt exist.
Now Biden Harris wants to pass laws that gives them nore powee ovee the court to do THEY want. 3-4 of the justices now favor less gun rights than the others. And so one retirement or two could make a difference.
Now Biden Harris wants to pass laws that gives them nore powee ovee the court to do THEY want. 3-4 of the justices now favor less gun rights than the others. And so one retirement or two could make a difference.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 5:41 pm to Sixafan
I wonder how many kids would be alive if states enforced the red flag laws?
If you are psychotic you don't get to have a gun. Common sense
If you are psychotic you don't get to have a gun. Common sense
Posted on 8/5/24 at 5:57 pm to Flats
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What other rights do you want to give up for a decade?
actually ^^^This man gets it best^^^
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