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re: Healthcare cannot be fixed
Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:22 am to Wednesday
Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:22 am to Wednesday
quote:It's almost like third-party payer subsidies drive up prices. The two most subsidized industries--higher ed and medicine--both increasing in prices y-o-y for decades. There's a lesson here. Some refuse to see the obvious.
Health Insurance is ridiculously expensive. You pay for your insurance, someone else’s insurance, and then the provider charges your insurance company more to cover the people who don’t have insurance.
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Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:22 am to 4cubbies
quote:
People refusing to accept that only people with money deserve medical help.
This dumbass wants unfettered illegal immigration then is slackjawed at how this has only made our healthcare crisis worse.
Progressives need to go sit at the kids table while the adults handle...
Wait, scratch that. You fricks can't be trusted around kids either...
Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:26 am to TigerAllNightLong
quote:Look how people view government spending. The answer is "I get all I want, and cut everyone else's". Greed isn't reserved for "the rich".
I’ve had some success framing the discussion as “what is the best way to allocate finite resources?”
Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:29 am to the808bass
quote:Correct. It's a nifty system, but only possible because there is zero poverty, everyone pays in, and (most of all) people don't mind paying with their own money. . Three things we will never see here.
A quick Google search shows that Singapore forces people to pay into their version of HSAs. And then they do cost sharing.
This post was edited on 7/6/25 at 9:31 am
Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:30 am to Eurocat
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Then you admit the problem is not the health care bill per-se which is all I am saying. We have to be tougher on people.
A lot tougher. Maybe we will start to see that. People are tired of progressives weaponized and toxic empathy.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:31 am to 3down10
quote:
Nothing that requires the labor of others is a basic human right.
Most succinctly profound thing I've heard/read in a long time. Well put.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:36 am to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Are you going to suggest that insurance companies are beloved by their customers?
I’m assuming this is tongue and cheek bc you are too smart to think this is any type of persuasive point.
quote:Absolutely. And it sucks for everyone when an insurance company tries to practice medicine without a license. Unfortunately, the cost of being a dependent isn't free. You give up freedom and choices.
nfortunately the clinical decision makers for insurance companies are some of the dumbest people I’ve ever had conversations with.
This post was edited on 7/6/25 at 9:37 am
Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:42 am to Wednesday
quote:
and then the provider charges your insurance company more to cover the people who don’t have insurance.
This is 100% illegal. If doctors are doing this, they will get absolutely crushed if those charts get audited. It’s really not worth the risk. ESP with Medicare bc they always pay and always pay on time. It’s only after the fact where they are like “oh we looked at these charts, in fact we shouldn’t have paid for alot of this stuff. So you now owe us 10M back.” It could absolutely cripple a practice.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:42 am to Eurocat
What an example. So more of a police state and control over racial makeup.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:44 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Are you going to suggest that insurance companies are beloved by their customers?
Oh of course not, but I don’t consider being beloved “winning.” I consider making alot of money “winning”
Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:49 am to Tunasntigers92
quote:
be fixedby Tunasntigers92What's the underlying problem?
People believe that the government has a moral obligation to provide all citizens healthcare, but all citizens do not have an obligation to take care of themselves.
Way too many people do not take care of themselves. They are way over weight, they abuse their bodies, and they have poor life styles. When something goes wrong they look to the government for help.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:49 am to onmymedicalgrind
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This is 100% illegal. If doctors are doing this, they will get absolutely crushed if those charts get audited. It’s really not worth the risk. ESP with Medicare bc they always pay and always pay on time. It’s only after the fact where they are like “oh we looked at these charts, in fact we shouldn’t have paid for alot of this stuff. So you now owe us 10M back.” It could absolutely cripple a practice.
So you’re saying if I go to the hospital with a broken leg Medicare will pay the hospital the exact same as my private insurance will?
Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:52 am to Tunasntigers92
Stupid people.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 9:58 am to HeadCall
quote:
So you’re saying if I go to the hospital with a broken leg Medicare will pay the hospital the exact same as my private insurance will?
Did you understand my post at all?
What I’m saying is doctor X cannot overcharge patient Y because he had to take care of patient Z who has no insurance. Period.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 10:01 am to onmymedicalgrind
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What I’m saying is doctor X cannot overcharge patient Y because he had to take care of patient Z who has no insurance. Period.
Okay. According to all of my googling and ChatGPTing it seems that Medicare pays significantly less(40-60% less) than what private insurance pays. Is that incorrect?
Posted on 7/6/25 at 10:03 am to Grumpy Nemesis
quote:
People who think nationalized healthcare
...need to go to Canada or the UK with a chronic or serious illness and see if you die before treatment or not.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 10:05 am to Eurocat
quote:You will anger the little friends of private insurance and big pharma.
Not necessarily, it works in Singapore where I have family, Higher taxes, yes, but zero insurance payments, combined they pay less and get more.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 10:13 am to The Torch
quote:
Obama’s entire legacy is screwing up the health care system for working people.
Obama said we would get $2,500 in savings, but all we got was a bill an additional thousands to pay for the freeloaders of his voting block.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 10:22 am to Eurocat
quote:
Not necessarily, it works in Singapore where I have family, Higher taxes, yes, but zero insurance payments, combined they pay less and get more
So true. Because when anyone, anywhere thinks world class healthcare...they automatically think Singapore.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 10:23 am to The Torch
You think so? Roughly 45 million people get healthcare through the ACA.
And it is not actually government healthcare…
And it is not actually government healthcare…
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