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re: If Confederate generals were traitors, so was George Washington
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:47 am to theGarnetWay
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:47 am to theGarnetWay
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How do you think the slaves would define tyranny?
The Founding Fathers most definitely weren't slaves. The majority of them were prominent farmers and business owners.
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:47 am to Mo Jeaux
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Why?
I just want to know if you would consider the Confederacy to be tyrannical.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:47 am to Landmass
It was not the forefront concern of the average soldier. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t an important factor in the war itself. A huge issue was over if the new states that would be formed would be slave or no slave states. The southern states didn’t want them to all be non-slave as they knew that would reduce their power and they could ultimately be forced to give up slavery.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:48 am to RollTide1987
That point assumes that the reader holds George Washington in high regard. Unfortunately most Americans today despise George Washington along with most of our founding fathers I’d assume. It’s sad. I’d imagine most people don’t even really value the Constitution.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 10:49 am
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:48 am to PrivatePublic
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winners write history.
Fact
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:49 am to sabes que
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It was not the forefront concern of the average soldier. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t an important factor in the war itself. A huge issue was over if the new states that would be formed would be slave or no slave states. The southern states didn’t want them to all be non-slave as they knew that would reduce their power and they could ultimately be forced to give up slavery.
So, the typical poor southerner that was drafted into the war and killed while having nothing to do with slavery can't have respect or a monument to his sacrifice?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:49 am to theGarnetWay
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I just want to know if you would consider the Confederacy to be tyrannical.
Depending on the definition that you use, I consider most governments to have tyrannical attributes. Don't you?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:51 am to Landmass
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I see that you reduce a very complicated matter down to a single issue. That is what is wrong with the idiot youth of today. You don't understand nor do you care to research the entire story and what led to the war. Slavery was one of many and wasn't the forefront concern for the 80% of confederate soldiers that did not own another human.
The other causes don’t matter. We’re talking about the enslavement of humans. frick the your lost cause shite.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:51 am to sabes que
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That doesn’t mean it wasn’t an important factor in the war itself.
Indeed. I really do encourage everyone to actually read the secessionist papers/letters some of the Confederate states published. Slavery and the US' 'growing hostility' towards slavery are referenced all over the place.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:52 am to lsudat10
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The other causes don’t matter.
Why not?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:52 am to RollTide1987
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If Confederate generals were traitors, so was George Washington
Technically all of the founding fathers & citizens were traitors bc we were under British rule.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:53 am to lsudat10
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The other causes don’t matter. We’re talking about the enslavement of humans. frick the your lost cause shite.
I see you also look at it with blinders.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:53 am to RollTide1987
Maybe the difference is George Washington was on the winning side. No participation trophies.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:53 am to Mo Jeaux
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Why not?
Because the ultimate cause was objectively immoral.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:53 am to lsudat10
quote:If that was your answer for a reading comprehension question, it would be wrong. That's not what we're talking about.
We’re talking about the enslavement of humans
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:54 am to RollTide1987
One more upvote.
Federal power versus State’s Rights was a huge issue way before the Civil War. Learned men during those times, free thinkers who believed in liberty, argued this issue and believed that their state had the right to secede.
Others said no, once in you were bound to stay in the union. You could not leave. Those men led the union and and carried the day through force of arms; thus it was settled.
Thankfully many of those same leaders did not see the leaders of the Confederacy as traitors and despite the hard feelings people came together and even fought together 50 years later in WWI.
Federal power versus State’s Rights was a huge issue way before the Civil War. Learned men during those times, free thinkers who believed in liberty, argued this issue and believed that their state had the right to secede.
Others said no, once in you were bound to stay in the union. You could not leave. Those men led the union and and carried the day through force of arms; thus it was settled.
Thankfully many of those same leaders did not see the leaders of the Confederacy as traitors and despite the hard feelings people came together and even fought together 50 years later in WWI.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:54 am to RollTide1987
The whole of the American Left are bigger traitors than any Confederate who ever lived. 
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:54 am to RollTide1987
George Washington was considered a traitor TO GREAT BRITAIN. I still get teased by a Scottish friend that the Fourth of July is Treason Day. But George is an AMERICAN patriot.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:54 am to Landmass
To be fair most of the statues are of prominent Confederate officers and politicians who owned slaves and had a vocal rule in supporting secession.
Which the historical record is clear, the desire to protect the institution of slavery was the foremost reason for secession.
You have a point about general monuments to confederate veterans. Although I assume you’re more than ok with Japanese and German memorials celebrating the sacrifice of their WW2 vets?
Which the historical record is clear, the desire to protect the institution of slavery was the foremost reason for secession.
You have a point about general monuments to confederate veterans. Although I assume you’re more than ok with Japanese and German memorials celebrating the sacrifice of their WW2 vets?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:54 am to RollTide1987
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Because the ultimate cause was objectively immoral.
It wasn't objectively immoral.
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