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re: Interesting comment about Iran on radio
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:43 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:43 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
I'd say ww2
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:48 am to Zach
Regime change comes with big risks
Look at Lybia. Ghadafi was removed and the place turned into a free for all for radical extremists
Iran is worse and could really become a hotbed of radicalism beyond what it is now
Look at Lybia. Ghadafi was removed and the place turned into a free for all for radical extremists
Iran is worse and could really become a hotbed of radicalism beyond what it is now
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:17 am to Roaad
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I'd say ww2
For a while, but looking at Europe today I can't say for 100% that was successful.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:22 am to Zach
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That demographic does very well in the American business world.
Smart people. I went to college with some. Some stayed and some went home for the revolution.
And one said oops and came back.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:23 am to theunknownknight
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“Regime change”
When is the last time they worked out for us?
That's why we're in this situation. Regime change in Iran in 1953 thanks to the CIA.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:24 am to SlidellCajun
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Regime change comes with big risks
Everyone here is misreading my post. The guy does not deal with foreign policy. He deals with the stock market. He does not advocate American involvement in Iran AT ALL! It's not his field. First, he explained that a war would hurt the market due to obvious lack of investor confidence. Then, he concluded by saying the market would go up if Iran ousted their govt and replaced it with a free market democracy. So, there is no risk to the statement. The statement spells out exact conditions for a market reaction.
Now, if Iran were full of 3rd world morons then freedom wouldn't make them prosperous. So, he gives the example of Iranian people succeeding when given the opportunity.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:26 am to Zach
Get them hooked on the Methodist Church would be fantastic! Imagine that for a moment…
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:26 am to Zach
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veryone here is misreading my post. The guy does not deal with foreign policy. He deals with the stock market. He does not advocate American involvement in Iran AT ALL! It's not his field. First, he explained that a war would hurt the market due to obvious lack of investor confidence. Then, he concluded by saying the market would go up if Iran ousted their govt and replaced it with a free market democracy. So, there is no risk to the statement. The statement spells out exact conditions for a market reaction.
Now, if Iran were full of 3rd world morons then freedom wouldn't make them prosperous. So, he gives the example of Iranian people succeeding when given the opportunity.
Get your clarified point and boundary lines and there is nothing more to discuss.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:30 am to Zach
How many innocent people will die so the bankers and money men will make their fortune?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:38 am to Zach
Yep, Iran is no Afghanistan.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:44 am to L1C4
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How many innocent people will die so the bankers and money men will make their fortune?
Tell me what the number is to justify keeping the dictatorship? If it saves the life on one child?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:51 am to theunknownknight
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“Regime change”
When is the last time they worked out for us?
Define us. Do you mean the DS?
We are not overthrowing anyone in Iran. They are doing it themselves. They have been on the brink of shedding their scum rulers a couple of times.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:42 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
It was a regime change that worked in our favor.
A Nazi war machine with vast imperial ambitions is not in our favor.
I understand the hyperbole, given the immigrant invasion. . .but violent totalitarian Nazis with a God Emperor in the midst of meth/barbituate psychosis is just not a great mascot
A Nazi war machine with vast imperial ambitions is not in our favor.
I understand the hyperbole, given the immigrant invasion. . .but violent totalitarian Nazis with a God Emperor in the midst of meth/barbituate psychosis is just not a great mascot
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:43 pm to Zach
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Toward the end he mentioned that the best scenario would be regime change because Iran would become an economic force in the region with a free market democracy.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:51 pm to FLTech
“like westerns”? Gunfights in the street?
Regardless, was it worth the loss of American lives and treasure?
I’m glad Saddam is gone, but it wasn’t
our job to get rid of him…
Regardless, was it worth the loss of American lives and treasure?
I’m glad Saddam is gone, but it wasn’t
our job to get rid of him…
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:54 pm to idlewatcher
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Not a good metric IMO. Look at the Lebanese people. They are in every freaking country on the planet with businesses, many of them successful businesses as well, yet look at their home turf. Still very 3rd world.
African immigrants do very well in the U.S. I remember reading once their income is on par with native born white Americans and far better than native born black Americans. The immigrants who come here through the legal process tend to be the cream of the crop, usually educated and ambitious and come from at least some level of money I.e not dirt poor. They come because their home country is shite and offers little opportunity for them to reach their potential
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:56 pm to Zach
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Toward the end he mentioned that the best scenario would be regime change because Iran would become an economic force in the region with a free market democracy.
This is exactly the opposite of what would happen and exactly what Israel and Wall Street interest in the U.S. do not want to happen. They do not want an existing or new unified Iranian regime. They want a politically fractured Iranian regime.
When neocons mention "regime change" they mean politically fractured Iran so they do not become a unified economic force and allows western interest to move in and take advantage of their O&G and mineral resources.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:56 pm to Zach
Vietnam has one of the best economies in SE Asia despite our attempt to save them.
Our track record is pretty horrible all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt and Dole Fruit Co. picking regimes in Central America.
Our track record is pretty horrible all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt and Dole Fruit Co. picking regimes in Central America.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 1:14 pm to RougeDawg
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Vietnam has one of the best economies in SE Asia despite our attempt to save them.
Where do I advocate us trying to save anyone?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 3:11 pm to theunknownknight
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When is the last time they worked out for us?
Define "worked out".
If you measure success as them becoming a free market, western style country, then we probably won't be successful. If you measure success as they stop seeking a nuclear bomb and stop sponsoring global terrorism, then we can be successful. We tell whoever takes over after we terminate the Ayatollah to behave or we'll take them out, too, we could have 20 years of peace and quiet
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