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re: Letter from FDA to physicians on acetaminophen use
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:32 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:32 pm to 4cubbies
No Cathey Newman, I’m quite literally saying they lie about most things, specifically this Tylenol issue, then cited my claims.
Therefore I’d like my HHS working with doctors to do the job they were chartered to do. So I don’t have to put my faith in a vile newspaper.
Thanks!
Therefore I’d like my HHS working with doctors to do the job they were chartered to do. So I don’t have to put my faith in a vile newspaper.
Thanks!
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 2:33 pm
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:33 pm to LSUTANGERINE
The whiny bitches will be whining about something. They can only consider one thing at a time, so this keeps them from whining about something important.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:34 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Scientific hint: if you’re not able to replicate research or associations with more rigorous controls, then the original research does not hold much weight at all
Follow up question. How many Pharma studies can be replicated? I’d even accept a rough estimate of percentages.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:36 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Therefore I’d like my HHS working with doctors to do the job they were chartered to do. So I don’t have to put my faith in a vile newspaper.
Newspapers = vile
Federal government = benevolent
Gotcha.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:38 pm to the808bass
This is the part where leftists (who were ready to guzzle covid juice based on "warp speed" clinical trials) will demand never-before-seen scientific rigor for a simple pregnancy warning on an over-the-counter pain reliever.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:39 pm to 4cubbies
yeah, I dont want the media trying to do the work of public health agencies.
call me old fashioned.
call me old fashioned.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:40 pm to SallysHuman
Good reply. I get the frustration - when health agencies underplay risks, people miss simple ways to protect themselves, like avoiding warm freshwater to prevent amoeba infection (really good example).
But since none of us can read every study, we all (including your doctors) rely on experts to filter what’s strong, relevant, and actionable, a process that can feel like gatekeeping.
To repeat our pregnancy example, untreated fever is risky, NSAIDs later on are dangerous, so acetaminophen remains the least-bad option despite imperfect evidence. If agencies shouted “Tylenol may cause autism” without that context, many might skip treating fever and raise other risks.
So transparency and gatekeeping aren’t opposites: done well, they’re stages - like triage. Signals are vetted first, then shared with clear advice so people can act wisely. This is all ideal-case, but principles at play are conventional. We can all think of numerous instances where it goes fubar, though.
But since none of us can read every study, we all (including your doctors) rely on experts to filter what’s strong, relevant, and actionable, a process that can feel like gatekeeping.
To repeat our pregnancy example, untreated fever is risky, NSAIDs later on are dangerous, so acetaminophen remains the least-bad option despite imperfect evidence. If agencies shouted “Tylenol may cause autism” without that context, many might skip treating fever and raise other risks.
So transparency and gatekeeping aren’t opposites: done well, they’re stages - like triage. Signals are vetted first, then shared with clear advice so people can act wisely. This is all ideal-case, but principles at play are conventional. We can all think of numerous instances where it goes fubar, though.
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:41 pm to AC1221
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Scientific method, and the 27 studies that found a link be damned.
Again, the analyses and methodology of these studies were highly criticized by the scientific community. There were no control for confounding variables and no sibling controls.
More rigorous research with confounding variables controlled and sibling controls showed no association.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:42 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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To be clear, while an association between acetaminophen and autism has been described in many studies, a causal relationship has not been established and there are contrary studies in the scientific literature.
Cigarettes and cancer…
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:42 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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More rigorous research with confounding variables controlled and sibling controls showed no association.
Post them.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:42 pm to Harry Boutte
Pretty sure the fascists are the ones celebrate when their side shoots political enemies. Pretty sure a Fascist government would not allow libs to call them fascist....
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:43 pm to Vacherie Saint
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This is the part where leftists (who were ready to guzzle covid juice based on "warp speed" clinical trials) will demand never-before-seen scientific rigor for a simple pregnancy warning on an over-the-counter pain reliever.
Firstly, I did not take the jab.
Secondly, there is no one here asking for rigorous scientific data for a pregnancy warning. The pregnancy warning is already there. The problem is the general public was grossly misled in the press conference.
The letter itself is very good
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:45 pm to LSUTANGERINE
We get it. You feel very connected to this topic because of some area of expertise in your life. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Stop being a bitch.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:45 pm to Harry Boutte
You mean the guy who was an actual leftist that essentially created fascism not the pretend fascist whom you blame for everything? I get it y’all created communism and socialism as well so it probably is hard to accept
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:47 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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The problem is the general public was grossly misled in the press conference.
I will say trumps style of firing a bazooka in generally the right direction in a speech isn't a good approach for a nuanced change in drug recommendation.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:48 pm to TigerDoc
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In pregnancy, for instance, untreated fever is risky, NSAIDs later on are dangerous, so acetaminophen remains the least-bad option despite imperfect evidence.
What about those women that took Tylenol for “muscle aches and pain?”
Still good?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:49 pm to LSUTANGERINE
I guess I'm just a little curious why the usual suspects on here are so triggered by Trump, but couldn't GAF less that the media has all of their shill medical correspondents telling millions of Americans that HHS is lying and you can take all the Tylenol you want while pregnant. Now, we have a movement on the socials of pregnant loons popping "spite-Tylenol".
Which rhetoric is more dangerous?
Never mind. I already know you wont be honest about this.
Which rhetoric is more dangerous?
Never mind. I already know you wont be honest about this.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:49 pm to TigerDoc
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TigerDoc
Thanks for the response.
I like the way you put it "least bad option"... my daughter, when pregnant, was more or less told "if you need something, tylenol is the only safe thing to take when pregnant ". What she heard was "tylenol=safe".
I think I like "least bad" better.
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So transparency and gatekeeping aren’t opposites: done well, they’re stages - like triage. Signals are vetted first, then shared with clear advice so people can act wisely. This is all ideal-case, but principles at play are conventional. We can all think of numerous instances where it goes fubar, though.
I can understand this. Obviously, the politics is what's making it sticky. This is a GREAT time for OBs to remind their patients that other OTCs are a hard no, and tylenol in moderation only if needed.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:50 pm to BBONDS25
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Post them
Difficult to link now. But these are easily found. The here are two large ones.
JAMA network study (2024): A large-scale Swedish study published in JAMA analyzed data from over 2.4 million children, including matched full-sibling pairs.
Population analysis: An initial analysis without sibling controls found a small, statistically insignificant increase in the risk of autism and ADHD associated with prenatal acetaminophen exposure.
Sibling analysis: However, when researchers compared siblings born to the same mother—one exposed to acetaminophen in utero and the other not—the link to autism disappeared.
Conclusion: This suggests that any observed association was likely due to familial confounding, such as shared genetics or environmental factors, rather than the drug itself.
Replication by Japanese study: Another large, high-quality sibling-comparison study from Japan published in 2024 similarly found no link between prenatal acetaminophen use and autism.
Reason for controlling for siblings: Sibling comparison studies are valuable because full siblings share a significant portion of their genetic background and are exposed to many of the same familial and environmental factors. This design is better able to isolate the effect of a specific variable, like a medication, from other, unmeasured influences.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 2:51 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Can some of the experts tell me if John’s Hopkins is reputable?
LINK
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Taking Tylenol during pregnancy associated with elevated risks for autism, ADHD A Johns Hopkins study analyzing umbilical cord blood samples found that newborns with the highest exposure to acetaminophen were about three times more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD or autism spectrum disorder in childhood
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