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re: Mandatory 80 hour work week.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 9:39 am to ShinerHorns
Posted on 12/8/24 at 9:39 am to ShinerHorns
I work offshore. The minimum work week is 84 hours. Whoopity Dooooo!!
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Posted on 12/8/24 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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"Unfair" has nothing to do with it. You are offering me a new agreement hat I decline.
Decline based on...?
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You unilaterally lowered my pay.
So? Why was I wrong in doing so?
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It's a new agreement, the same as you lowering wages.
Sure, it's a new agreement, but you wouldn't quit your job over it. Why would you quit if it goes the other way?
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I'm not arguing fairness
So now you can't claim that lowering your pay was unfair. Thanks for that.
So answer the questions above. You're not saying that changing the agreement is a problem per se, as you wouldn't quit if your pay was increased rather than decreased. You're not saying it's unfair to lower your pay.
So what reason do you have left to quit?
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Salaried "full time" doesn't require a specific number of hours "at the office" or "worked". It can, but it doesn't have to. You're arguing it has to, which is patently untrue.
No, it doesn't legally require it, but everyone factors it in. I'm not arguing that it has to (that's YOUR strawman), I'm arguing that you and everyone else in the world factors it in, unless we're talking about people who work on straight commission or some other such basis.
And even those people factor it in when they make their decisions about whether the job is worth doing. You admitted in another thread on this topic that you would do so. This thing you're denying is absurd (which is why the examples keep getting more and more absurd) because it's obviously true.
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I don't.
You do, and you've admitted it before.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 9:48 am to wackatimesthree
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You're claiming I never outsourced labor instead of hiring an employee in house?
No. I'm saying if you maintained control over your ICs, as I predict you require, you violated the law.
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I never paid outsourced labor hourly.
How were they paid, exactly?
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many IC doctors get paid hourly (which blows up YOUR claim that "hourly thinking" only applies to low level employees),
Doctors in those roles work in unique environments due to how insurance pays, and it somewhat becomes an assembly line of sorts (just higher-level skills).
Doctors who run their own practices outside of the insurance paradigm don't work that way, typically.
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What proof can you provide to substantiate those claims?
I provided plenty of work on this by CEOs of much larger/more successful companies than either of us run/ran, in the last thread.
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Not every industry is tied to innovation.
Every industry utilizes innovation.
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But even so, that's not proof that innovation is more likely either way,
I didn't say that. I said an IC innovating is their property, and you lose out.
Since innovation should be the goal, that's -EV in a major way.
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Because you're slipping into ad hom territory with your digs about "control."
It wasn't an ad hom. You're the one mandating people "work" the full hourly shift and who hates employees working form home out from under his physical presence. I used the IC guidelines within the paradigm you're projecting.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 9:56 am to ShinerHorns
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Any young person fresh out of college should be required to work 80 hours a week for at least the first ten years of their professional life.
Who's going to require this?
Their employer who knows how best to run the company? Themselves if they're self employed?
Or Big Daddy Government?
Posted on 12/8/24 at 9:56 am to wackatimesthree
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Decline based on...?
I can get a better deal elsewhere, like the old agreement.
Fairness has nothing to do with it. Only market value.
You want to offer me less than my MV, so I decline and will get my MV.
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So? Why was I wrong in doing so?
"Wrong" (in the moral sense) has nothing to do with it. You made a decision. I decline.
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Sure, it's a new agreement, but you wouldn't quit your job over it.
Why wouldn't I?
Are you going to change your hypothetical into some idiosyncratic market where no alternative employment options exist, or something?
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Why would you quit if it goes the other way?
Why would I quit if my boss unilaterally decides to offer a new employment agreement with lower wages? Uh...the lower wages.
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So now you can't claim that lowering your pay was unfair. Thanks for that.
It's just business. You offer a new deal with lower pay. I can leave. That's how it works.
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You're not saying that changing the agreement is a problem per se, as you wouldn't quit if your pay was increased rather than decreased.
Obviously.
The fact a new offer was made doesn't create a problem. The terms of that offer are to be evaluated. If they're beneficial to me, obviously I'd accept. If they're detrimental to me, obviously I'd decline.
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So what reason do you have left to quit?
Maintaining my market-based salary elsewhere.
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I'm arguing that you and everyone else in the world factors it in,
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'm not arguing that it has to (that's YOUR strawman),
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but everyone factors it in.
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You admitted in another thread on this topic that you would do so.
No. You warped what I said to intentionally skew it in a way you saw as favorable. The market largely determines my offers, not time.
I base my fees on the local market for similar services and my targeted demographic.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 6:16 pm to The Egg
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You're basically gutting the idea of the nuclear family then bc how do you expect to have familial relationships and working that much? Some of the shite you guys float are insane
They'll advocate for things like this and then complain about younger people not wanting to get married or have kids. You can't win with these people.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:16 pm to ArcticTiger
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I work offshore. The minimum work week is 84 hours. Whoopity Dooooo!!
YEP! I average around 95 a week.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It gives me a major edge, especially in innovation and seeking out those new avenues of efficiency.
Innovation? Innovating what? Arguing is a full time job for you here.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:26 pm to ArcticTiger
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I work offshore. The minimum work week is 84 hours. Whoopity Dooooo!!
According to SFP, you’re likely bad at math!
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Consider moving your market value to DU as an upgrade for us all
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:29 pm to ShinerHorns
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Mandatory 80 hour work week.
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I think this would be a great idea
Try to troll harder next time
Or better yet just log out and forget you ever heard of this place
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:35 pm to Limitlesstigers
“No one wants to work.” + “No one wants to have kids” = “we need to import the third world”
Let’s just be honest with ourselves that’s the point of all this BS. Self-described conservatives will gladly open the floodgates while hiding behind those excuses.
Let’s just be honest with ourselves that’s the point of all this BS. Self-described conservatives will gladly open the floodgates while hiding behind those excuses.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 8:26 pm to ShinerHorns
I have worked 80+ hours a week numerous times. To be fair, it's not fun.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 9:50 pm to ShinerHorns
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Any young person fresh out of college should be required to work 80 hours a week for at least the first ten years of their professional life. I think it would teach these young lazy libs a lot about hard work and being a productive member of society.
If you need 80 hours/week to be productive, you're incredibly incompetent
Posted on 12/8/24 at 10:46 pm to lake chuck fan
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shite! I'm 55 and love working 7-12's. It's one hell of a pay check!!!!!!
I’m sure your family loves having the big checks and not having you there.
/sarcasm
Posted on 12/8/24 at 10:54 pm to wackatimesthree
If they are in the office 6 am till 6pm that gets you 60 hours, the other 20 could be work from home at night….
Posted on 12/9/24 at 5:59 am to Privateer 2007
An old fund manager on Wall Street used to say that if he could get his people to give him their 6 best hours everyday, 5 days a week they would all be rich. He said that the problem was the Friday/Monday syndrome. Most people on Monday are not kicking in until lunch on Monday and they half arse after lunch on Friday.
He said that if he could get the best 6 out of them it usually translated to 8 or 9 in reality. That meant that 20% were carrying the office.
He said that if he could get the best 6 out of them it usually translated to 8 or 9 in reality. That meant that 20% were carrying the office.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:06 am to Zach
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There are some hospital staff who work
7 on 7 off. The 7 on is 80 hours.
But then you are off a week.
So 84 hrs one week, none the next week, average of 42 hours a week.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:10 am to ShinerHorns
In jobs where you have to use your brain, productivity craters after about 65 hours, especially if you are doing that weekly. Yes, you might be working more hours, but you are not being productive or efficient.
People complain about lower birth rates and people waiting to get married and start a family. Doing that would make those issues much worse.
People complain about lower birth rates and people waiting to get married and start a family. Doing that would make those issues much worse.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:14 am to BigTx
When they do have us there they have us there completely for 2 solid weeks so Yes they do.
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