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re: Robert E. Lee -- Skilled General
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:18 am to AU86
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:18 am to AU86
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His losses compared to Lee's during the Overland Campaign earned him the name "The Butcher". T
Fun fact, Lee saw more of his men killed and in a greater ratio than did Grant. Everyone likes to poo-poo Grant’s tactics against Lee but Lee was at his most dangerous when allowed to maneuver (ex: Second Manassas and Chancellorsville). In just a month and a half, Grant maneuvered Lee into a siege that eventually ended in Lee’s surrender.
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:24 am to Doctor B
He’s going to get slammed for it
He also praised Lincoln but you won’t hear that
He also praised Lincoln but you won’t hear that
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:28 am to Doctor B
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So there is supposedly going to be a Dem meltdown because Trump said Robert E. Lee was a sought after and skilled person?
Isn't this universally agreed with by Civil War experts?
Oh wait...Trump said it. It must mean the end of democracy or some shite
I thought about that when Trump said it. But it doesn't matter, they will cut and paste and take words out of context regardless. frick em
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:28 am to RollTide1987
You are 100% right regarding Lee's ability to maneuver. Second Manassas and Chancellorsville were brilliant. Lee overcame the disparity in numbers by having the ability to maneuver. Like I said earlier when Lee was pinned at Petersburg it was just a matter of time.
Grant deserves credit for utilizing his superiority in numbers.
Grant deserves credit for utilizing his superiority in numbers.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:35 am to trinidadtiger
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Capitol building in Richmond Virginia. There are busts around the chambers of famous virginians, several presidents. In the center was the only statue, of Robert E. Lee, where he accepted the command of the army of northern Virginia. Probably gone now, what a shame.
Yes it got taken out in 2020 during the 2 year period the Dems had a government trifecta. Also removed busts of all confederates.
Strangely there’s still a statue of Stonewall Jackson literally behind the Capitol. It’s all performative.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:53 am to Doctor B
In modern times the greatest general was Maximilian DeSantos. He re-took the Alamo in the 1960s.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:57 am to RollTide1987
We did not have advantage over the Japanese at virtually every measurement in 1942. That is factually incorrect. You are also factually incorrect on Guadalcanal. You don’t know what you are talking about
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:02 am to Doctor B
Lee is a loser and traitor. Ain’t nothing can be done to change that
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:34 am to Doctor B
Lots of interesting posts about Lee, but I have to wonder how large the population is who actually care on the basis of family tradition?
US population now is 10x the size as it was in 1860. Do any posters have info about how many living US citizens have Confederate or Union soldier ancestors?
US population now is 10x the size as it was in 1860. Do any posters have info about how many living US citizens have Confederate or Union soldier ancestors?
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:40 am to Tree_Fall
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S population now is 10x the size as it was in 1860. Do any posters have info about how many living US citizens have Confederate or Union soldier ancestors?
I’m directly descended from Robert E Lee who was descended from Robert Carter, first Governor of Va. My family is listed at the Carter plantation. I’m also in the process of becoming a member of Society of the Cincinnati, made up of people who are directly descended from officers who served in the revolutionary war. I’m related to Maj William Bradford of NY. Only one person per descendant can be a member and my uncle was a member but he passed last year.
So I’ve got that going for me, which is nice.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:44 am to Robin Masters
Lee messed up at Gettysburg.
After the first day he should have turned and marched toward Washington and forced the Union Army to attack him on the ground of his choosing as he could have probably maneuvered to a position between the Union army and Washington.
After the first day he should have turned and marched toward Washington and forced the Union Army to attack him on the ground of his choosing as he could have probably maneuvered to a position between the Union army and Washington.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:54 am to Doctor B
Gettysburg was a mess.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 11:02 am to Rip Torn
Meade, Hooker and McClelland also had the same access to the same resources and could not do anything with it. Meanwhile Grant proved his chops and proved to be a formidable foe in battle Shiloh, Vicksburg, Lookout Mtn. In 2 of those three engagements Grant decisively defeated and had whole armies surrender to him.
Lee was a very good tactician. But Lee was unable to establish a strategic advantage which is where Grant proved his superior. The union had advantages and Grant understood how to marshall them and bring them to his advantage. That makes him at the least Lee's equal and the fact that he could use those advantages directly makes him Lee's superior especially in the Overland campaign
Lee was a very good tactician. But Lee was unable to establish a strategic advantage which is where Grant proved his superior. The union had advantages and Grant understood how to marshall them and bring them to his advantage. That makes him at the least Lee's equal and the fact that he could use those advantages directly makes him Lee's superior especially in the Overland campaign
Posted on 10/26/24 at 11:12 am to captainFid
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Just like always. And we (his admin and supporters) are going to need to combat this 'push-back' if he is elected in a few days. I don't know the answer but it allows the democrats to ride made-up issues, distract and deflect.
Or democrats can stop being stupid.
Kamala Harris is using a nazi Joy campaign but I don’t actually think she’s going to start gassing Jews.
They should come back to reality.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 11:13 am to RollTide1987
Grant gets a bad rap on casualty end when the reality is that both rates were comparable.
The Legend of Robert. E Lee is far greater than the reality....and the reality is pretty impressive. Grant in underrated overall
The Legend of Robert. E Lee is far greater than the reality....and the reality is pretty impressive. Grant in underrated overall
Posted on 10/26/24 at 11:20 am to Rip Torner
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You are also factually incorrect on Guadalcanal. You don’t know what you are talking about
We won the Battle of Guadalcanal through attritional warfare. This is a fact. Nearly 100,000 U.S. soldiers and marines eventually fought on Guadalcanal. The Japanese brought only 37,000 men to the fight.
This post was edited on 10/26/24 at 11:23 am
Posted on 10/26/24 at 11:36 am to KiwiHead
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Grant gets a bad rap on casualty end when the reality is that both rates were comparable.
That’s because Confederate apologists began polluting the historical narrative with revisionism in the late-19th century as the Lost Cause mythology began to develop. Prior to that, Grant was considered alongside Washington to be among the greatest generals in American history.
Only in recent years have historians returned to those original conclusions.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 11:49 am to ABearsFanNMS
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Based upon history bro. Grant was a straight up attrition warfare guy. Not blaming him whatsoever because he accomplished his goal. However, give Lee the Federal army and supplies and the capital of the United States would be Richmond today.
Just give Lee the Irish and DC would be the graveyard of America instead of Arlington. Brilliant move that the left is currently employing as we sit on the internet and bitch while they sharpen their swords.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 11:57 am to KiwiHead
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The union had advantages and Grant understood how to marshall them and bring them to his advantage. That makes him at the least Lee's equal and the fact that he could use those advantages directly makes him Lee's superior especially in the Overland campaign
I don't completely disagree with your conclusion but your reasoning is nonsensical.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 12:08 pm to Doctor B
My generation was taught to respect the personal honor and skills of one’s opponents.It’s a component of critical thinking and humility. Concepts that are completely foreign to The Left.
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