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re: Serious Question about a national divorce
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:59 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 6/30/22 at 3:59 pm to Indefatigable
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There are multiple nations using our model. Germany and Russia probably being the most prominent
the biggest difference is #1 those two countries are a fraction of the size of the US, and #2 both are far more homogenous culturally
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:16 pm to Marshhen
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No need for a “National Divorce”…we just need to reign in the bloated federal government and bring the powers back to the States.
This is what the Supreme Court is realizing. We’ve gone too far towards a bloated overreaching federal government. States rights would fix a lot of our differences
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:23 pm to VADawg
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This is the doing of the left. Their persistent shoving ideology down everyone's throat and trying to ruin anyone's life who had a different viewpoint is what led to this.
And no, this is not a "both sides" thing. This is a one side thing.
Both sides fuel the culture war and the echo chambers are plentiful on both sides. The left may being winning in media but both sides have moderates and both sides have those with authoritarian instincts we need to fight. It will be coming from the right in due time I fear and thats when shite will hit the fan.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:31 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
There is nothing serious about this national divorce bullshite.
This is still the greatest place on the world. If anyone doesn't like living here they are free to move wherever they feel more comfortable.
This is still the greatest place on the world. If anyone doesn't like living here they are free to move wherever they feel more comfortable.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:33 pm to Marshhen
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and bring the powers back to the States
Bingo
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:54 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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This is what the Supreme Court is realizing. We’ve gone too far towards a bloated overreaching federal government. States rights would fix a lot of our differences
The issue many have is that the SC isn't just "realizing" this all of a sudden. The right has placed enough republicans on the court to do their bidding. And all of a sudden, they are deciding every case as a republican.
And it happened because of a "stolen" seat that refused to let a sitting president nominate someone and by changing the rules for the SC to only need 50 votes. This has made the last 4 justices(and many more to come from both sides) the most polarizing choices.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:56 pm to Tiger Prawn
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The problem is that the divide isn’t regional with north vs south or east vs west. The divide is urban vs rural.
City-state carve out model. Cities get territory, they can all unite if they want, we share the interstate system.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:59 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
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We could even be allies internationally.
We wouldn't be.
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Leftist and traditional Americans no longer share values.
Geopolitics isn't values-driven. I don't know where the notion comes from that you need to share values in order to exist as a nation. It's very weird.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 5:03 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
Well, I’m not about to uproot my family- because a minority of unhinged lunatics want to fundamentally change the greatest nation on earth. THEY have two options: get their asses back in line- or find out what option two is.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 5:05 pm to EKG
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But the US has become a behemoth entity comprised of 50 states.
No other country in the world comes remotely close to attempting to function in such a manner.
That's not really true. India is one example.
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Most people are tied to the idea of what the US once was, not what it's become.
It's a tough pill to swallow, and I understand that.
But the reality: Our differences and contextual needs have diverged beyond functionality.
What's a tough pill to swallow is that the federal system is designed to smooth away geopolitical flashpoints. You people are so myopic that you can't see that, and simply assume the same level of wealth and functioning post-US. You want to relieve the fall of the Roman Empire, except far more stupidly, and in a far more complicated context.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 5:09 pm to TGFN57
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This is still the greatest place on the world.
There is an old man from Iran that drops by work every few months. Every single time he tells me has lived all over the world. And nothing comes close to the US. Greatest country in the world.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 5:09 pm to crazy4lsu
I long ago learnt who is interested in having a legitimate discussion on this issue and who isn't.
Your opinion is noted, as are your ad hominems.
Your opinion is noted, as are your ad hominems.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 5:11 pm to redneck hippie
I haven't argued the US isn't better than other countries.
That doesn't mean that what's happening in certain states in this country must therefore, by default, be accepted ... simply because other countries are worse.
That doesn't mean that what's happening in certain states in this country must therefore, by default, be accepted ... simply because other countries are worse.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 5:17 pm to Tiger Prawn
Man look at Oklahoma with all that red! Not a blue county to be seen. Yep that’s where I’d want to move.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 5:21 pm to lsufball19
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the biggest difference is #1 those two countries are a fraction of the size of the US, and #2 both are far more homogenous culturally
Ok. Let’s use India then.
Besides, size and homogeneous population is not really relevant if we are purely analyzing the system of election and government structure itself. If anything, a federalist model would only work better in diverse nations as it emphasizes local government moreso that parliamentary or presidential systems.
Also, the US is actually fairly homogenous in culture. Maybe not skin color, but there’s some serious commonality to how most Americans live daily life.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 6/30/22 at 5:21 pm to CPTDCKHD
No need for a divorce when you can force them out.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 5:28 pm to EKG
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I long ago learnt who is interested in having a legitimate discussion on this issue and who isn't.
Your opinion is noted, as are your ad hominems.
It wasn't directed at your person specifically, because I generally don't look at the names on mobile, but rather the people who insist on the national divorce idea. The idea is myopic, as I've read all the stuff that's been posted, and none seem to even consider why it is a bad idea. No one seems to have a legitimate answer on the geopolitical questions, because they've lived under a federal system which smooths away any potential extraterritorial issue by providing parties a framework for disputes.
I mean, in one of the documents posted on this board, a secessionist openly stated that they would have a large military on the border of the US and they said it without considering at all what it means. Like I said, amazing myopia.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 5:35 pm to Indefatigable
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Also, the US is actually fairly homogenous in culture. Maybe not skin color, but there’s some serious commonality to how most Americans live daily life.
It's more culturally homogenous than people give it credit for, as media has shaped much of our culture rather than traditions because of the relative youth of the country. Other countries have far more language diversity than the US, which makes standardization projects immensely difficult. People forget that even nations that Americans regard as 'homogenous' had massive standardization projects, like France and Germany after the 1872 unification, as well as Italy after unification. There are wide dialect differences in Germany, for example, which aren't meaningful to American eyes because the only homogeneity that Americans seem to care about is racial. That racial homogeneity didn't exactly stop European polities from fighting one another.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 6:04 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
Ok let’s think this through.
California will be split into North and South. North California will take the coastal side of Seattle and Oregon. The rest of the west will run from Canada to Texas west of the Mississippi River. East of the Mississippi will run til the Appalachian states/regions. Above Atlanta, east TN, Kentucky, west Va, parts of Virginia Maryland, Pennsylvania. The North east will be a union, the old south with be a union, the Caribbean and south Florida will be a union, Atlanta will be a city state, Austin will be a city state..
That’s how you avoid the messy civil war, you get everyone to divide up and be big enough to defend and small enough to not threaten others.
California will be split into North and South. North California will take the coastal side of Seattle and Oregon. The rest of the west will run from Canada to Texas west of the Mississippi River. East of the Mississippi will run til the Appalachian states/regions. Above Atlanta, east TN, Kentucky, west Va, parts of Virginia Maryland, Pennsylvania. The North east will be a union, the old south with be a union, the Caribbean and south Florida will be a union, Atlanta will be a city state, Austin will be a city state..
That’s how you avoid the messy civil war, you get everyone to divide up and be big enough to defend and small enough to not threaten others.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 6:16 pm to The Maj
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You cannot have a peaceful national divorce
Czech Republic and Slovakia did it.
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