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re: So we now know where dogs came from:
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:25 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:25 am to NC_Tigah
The Persian Gulf was a dry basin as recently as about 15,000 years ago ... when it was flooded by the Indian Ocean. It seems likely to me that this event gave rise to the Flood Myths of all the peoples in the region ... which myths eventually spread throughout Europe and Asia. The (now) Persian Gulf is the perfect nexus for the spread of myths onto both continents.
But the OP's video is still cool.
Did modern canids evolve from EXACTLY the species shown in the videos? Who knows? But they (and we) DID evolve from something very LIKE the species shown.
But the OP's video is still cool.
Did modern canids evolve from EXACTLY the species shown in the videos? Who knows? But they (and we) DID evolve from something very LIKE the species shown.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 11:33 am
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Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:29 am to cssamerican
quote:
Not really…Everyone is guessing or has faith in sone idea. The same scientific consensus you’ve so sure about today will likely have a different consensus in a century or so. Your faith just happens to be in a more recent idea. Know one really KNOWS.
Here's the difference.
Darwin's theory of evolution had a lot of incorrect minor claims that over the last century has been disproven.
The main claim? It's more and more supported by the evidence. It's practically at the level of the theory of gravity. It's such a powerful theory it has applications outside of biology. It explains solar system/galaxy/etc rotations, human sociology, all sorts of things.
In a century minor claims will likely be altered, but the overall theory will remain. The picture is getting more and more clear as we stack more and more evidence that supports it.
Religion is the opposite. There's more and more instances of retreating from literal to figurative.
Noah's flood, 10 plagues of Egypt, Adam and Eve, etc. These are big stories, not little side notes.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 11:33 am
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:48 am to NC_Tigah
# 1. ADAM ? FLOOD (GENESIS 5)
This is where **most variance begins**.
### Masoretic Text (MT)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth | Years After | Total Lifespan |
| --------------- | ------------------ | ----------- | -------------- |
| Adam | 130 | 800 | 930 |
| Seth | 105 | 807 | 912 |
| Enosh | 90 | 815 | 905 |
| Kenan | 70 | 840 | 910 |
| Mahalalel | 65 | 830 | 895 |
| Jared | 162 | 800 | 962 |
| Enoch | 65 | 300 | 365 |
| Methuselah | 187 | 782 | 969 |
| Lamech | 182 | 595 | 777 |
| Noah (to Flood) | 600 | — | 950 |
**Total Adam ? Flood (MT):**
Add ages at begetting + Noah’s 600 years:
> **1,656 years**
---
### Septuagint (LXX)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| --------------- | ------------------ |
| Adam | 230 |
| Seth | 205 |
| Enosh | 190 |
| Kenan | 170 |
| Mahalalel | 165 |
| Jared | 162 |
| Enoch | 165 |
| Methuselah | 187 |
| Lamech | 188 |
| Noah (to Flood) | 600 |
**Total Adam ? Flood (LXX):**
> **2,262 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **+606 years**
---
### Samaritan Pentateuch (SP)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| ---------- | ------------------ |
| Adam | 130 |
| Seth | 105 |
| Enosh | 90 |
| Kenan | 70 |
| Mahalalel | 65 |
| Jared | 62 |
| Enoch | 65 |
| Methuselah | 67 |
| Lamech | 53 |
| Noah | 600 |
**Total Adam ? Flood (SP):**
> **1,307 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **–349 years**
---
# 2. FLOOD ? ABRAHAM (GENESIS 11)
This is where **another major divergence occurs**, especially in the Septuagint.
---
### Masoretic Text (MT)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| ----------------- | ------------------ |
| Shem (post-Flood) | 100 |
| Arphaxad | 35 |
| Shelah | 30 |
| Eber | 34 |
| Peleg | 30 |
| Reu | 32 |
| Serug | 30 |
| Nahor | 29 |
| Terah | 70 |
**Total Flood ? Abraham (MT):**
> **292 years**
---
### Septuagint (LXX)
(With **extra generation: Cainan**)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| ---------- | ------------------ |
| Shem | 100 |
| Arphaxad | 135 |
| **Cainan** | 130 |
| Shelah | 130 |
| Eber | 134 |
| Peleg | 130 |
| Reu | 132 |
| Serug | 130 |
| Nahor | 179 |
| Terah | 70 |
**Total Flood ? Abraham (LXX):**
> **~1,072 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **+780 years**
---
### Samaritan Pentateuch (SP)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| --------- | ------------------ |
| Shem | 100 |
| Arphaxad | 135 |
| Shelah | 130 |
| Eber | 134 |
| Peleg | 130 |
| Reu | 132 |
| Serug | 130 |
| Nahor | 79 |
| Terah | 70 |
**Total Flood ? Abraham (SP):**
> **~942 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **+650 years**
---
# 3. ABRAHAM ? DAVID
This section is **historical**, not genealogical math.
| Period | Years (approx.) |
| -------------------------- | --------------- |
| Abraham ? Exodus | 430 |
| Exodus ? Conquest & Judges | ~400 |
| Judges ? Saul | ~350 |
| Saul ? David | ~40 |
> **˜ 1,200 years**
?? Same across traditions (minor scholarly variance ±50 yrs).
---
# 4. DAVID ? JESUS
This is **securely dated history**.
| Event | Date |
| ------------------ | -------- |
| David reign begins | ~1010 BC |
| Jesus born | ~5 BC |
> **˜ 1,000 years**
---
# 5. GRAND TOTALS (FULL CALCULATION)
### Masoretic Text
| Segment | Years |
| --------------- | ----- |
| Adam ? Flood | 1,656 |
| Flood ? Abraham | 292 |
| Abraham ? David | 1,200 |
| David ? Jesus | 1,000 |
### **TOTAL (MT):**
> **4,148 years**
---
### Septuagint
| Segment | Years |
| --------------- | ----- |
| Adam ? Flood | 2,262 |
| Flood ? Abraham | 1,072 |
| Abraham ? David | 1,200 |
| David ? Jesus | 1,000 |
### **TOTAL (LXX):**
> **5,534 years**
---
### Samaritan Pentateuch
| Segment | Years |
| --------------- | ----- |
| Adam ? Flood | 1,307 |
| Flood ? Abraham | 942 |
| Abraham ? David | 1,200 |
| David ? Jesus | 1,000 |
### **TOTAL (SP):**
> **4,449 years**
---
# 6. FINAL RANGE (WITH EXPLANATION)
> **Biblical Adam ? Jesus chronology ranges from ~4,100 to ~5,500 years**
The **entire spread** comes from:
* Different **ages at fatherhood**
* One **extra generation (Cainan)** in LXX
* No missing generations — just different math.
So, humans didn't exist on the planet prior to 5500-4100BC.
AND, Noah's flood happened around 3300-2500BC.
Both of these are completely and utterly historical. Jesus is much the same. Your current religion is filled with scientific inaccuracies, pagan traditions, and contradictions.
I know, I know. The Bibles genealogy isn't meant to be taken literal huh? It's really a parable, right?
This is where **most variance begins**.
### Masoretic Text (MT)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth | Years After | Total Lifespan |
| --------------- | ------------------ | ----------- | -------------- |
| Adam | 130 | 800 | 930 |
| Seth | 105 | 807 | 912 |
| Enosh | 90 | 815 | 905 |
| Kenan | 70 | 840 | 910 |
| Mahalalel | 65 | 830 | 895 |
| Jared | 162 | 800 | 962 |
| Enoch | 65 | 300 | 365 |
| Methuselah | 187 | 782 | 969 |
| Lamech | 182 | 595 | 777 |
| Noah (to Flood) | 600 | — | 950 |
**Total Adam ? Flood (MT):**
Add ages at begetting + Noah’s 600 years:
> **1,656 years**
---
### Septuagint (LXX)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| --------------- | ------------------ |
| Adam | 230 |
| Seth | 205 |
| Enosh | 190 |
| Kenan | 170 |
| Mahalalel | 165 |
| Jared | 162 |
| Enoch | 165 |
| Methuselah | 187 |
| Lamech | 188 |
| Noah (to Flood) | 600 |
**Total Adam ? Flood (LXX):**
> **2,262 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **+606 years**
---
### Samaritan Pentateuch (SP)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| ---------- | ------------------ |
| Adam | 130 |
| Seth | 105 |
| Enosh | 90 |
| Kenan | 70 |
| Mahalalel | 65 |
| Jared | 62 |
| Enoch | 65 |
| Methuselah | 67 |
| Lamech | 53 |
| Noah | 600 |
**Total Adam ? Flood (SP):**
> **1,307 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **–349 years**
---
# 2. FLOOD ? ABRAHAM (GENESIS 11)
This is where **another major divergence occurs**, especially in the Septuagint.
---
### Masoretic Text (MT)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| ----------------- | ------------------ |
| Shem (post-Flood) | 100 |
| Arphaxad | 35 |
| Shelah | 30 |
| Eber | 34 |
| Peleg | 30 |
| Reu | 32 |
| Serug | 30 |
| Nahor | 29 |
| Terah | 70 |
**Total Flood ? Abraham (MT):**
> **292 years**
---
### Septuagint (LXX)
(With **extra generation: Cainan**)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| ---------- | ------------------ |
| Shem | 100 |
| Arphaxad | 135 |
| **Cainan** | 130 |
| Shelah | 130 |
| Eber | 134 |
| Peleg | 130 |
| Reu | 132 |
| Serug | 130 |
| Nahor | 179 |
| Terah | 70 |
**Total Flood ? Abraham (LXX):**
> **~1,072 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **+780 years**
---
### Samaritan Pentateuch (SP)
| Patriarch | Age at Son’s Birth |
| --------- | ------------------ |
| Shem | 100 |
| Arphaxad | 135 |
| Shelah | 130 |
| Eber | 134 |
| Peleg | 130 |
| Reu | 132 |
| Serug | 130 |
| Nahor | 79 |
| Terah | 70 |
**Total Flood ? Abraham (SP):**
> **~942 years**
?? **Difference vs MT:**
> **+650 years**
---
# 3. ABRAHAM ? DAVID
This section is **historical**, not genealogical math.
| Period | Years (approx.) |
| -------------------------- | --------------- |
| Abraham ? Exodus | 430 |
| Exodus ? Conquest & Judges | ~400 |
| Judges ? Saul | ~350 |
| Saul ? David | ~40 |
> **˜ 1,200 years**
?? Same across traditions (minor scholarly variance ±50 yrs).
---
# 4. DAVID ? JESUS
This is **securely dated history**.
| Event | Date |
| ------------------ | -------- |
| David reign begins | ~1010 BC |
| Jesus born | ~5 BC |
> **˜ 1,000 years**
---
# 5. GRAND TOTALS (FULL CALCULATION)
### Masoretic Text
| Segment | Years |
| --------------- | ----- |
| Adam ? Flood | 1,656 |
| Flood ? Abraham | 292 |
| Abraham ? David | 1,200 |
| David ? Jesus | 1,000 |
### **TOTAL (MT):**
> **4,148 years**
---
### Septuagint
| Segment | Years |
| --------------- | ----- |
| Adam ? Flood | 2,262 |
| Flood ? Abraham | 1,072 |
| Abraham ? David | 1,200 |
| David ? Jesus | 1,000 |
### **TOTAL (LXX):**
> **5,534 years**
---
### Samaritan Pentateuch
| Segment | Years |
| --------------- | ----- |
| Adam ? Flood | 1,307 |
| Flood ? Abraham | 942 |
| Abraham ? David | 1,200 |
| David ? Jesus | 1,000 |
### **TOTAL (SP):**
> **4,449 years**
---
# 6. FINAL RANGE (WITH EXPLANATION)
> **Biblical Adam ? Jesus chronology ranges from ~4,100 to ~5,500 years**
The **entire spread** comes from:
* Different **ages at fatherhood**
* One **extra generation (Cainan)** in LXX
* No missing generations — just different math.
So, humans didn't exist on the planet prior to 5500-4100BC.
AND, Noah's flood happened around 3300-2500BC.
Both of these are completely and utterly historical. Jesus is much the same. Your current religion is filled with scientific inaccuracies, pagan traditions, and contradictions.
I know, I know. The Bibles genealogy isn't meant to be taken literal huh? It's really a parable, right?
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:06 pm to Azkiger
quote:Correct.
I know, I know. The Bibles genealogy isn't meant to be taken literal huh? It's really a parable, right?
Certainly more so than your increasingly pathetic denial of known poststadial catastrophic outburst floods.
quote:In other words, at least as accurate as science of consensus regarding AGW/climate change, or CV19 as a natural zoonosis spread by raccoon dogs, or children benefitted from the CV19 vax, etc.?
filled with scientific inaccuracies
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:23 pm to Azkiger
quote:
Alternative is to treat the Bible as history and accept there was a global flood like 5,000 years ago, while ancient China was keeping records and were completely unaffected.
That's one alternative.
But certainly not the only one.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:27 pm to NC_Tigah
Dont care how they got here, theyre simply amazing creatures and our emotions are entwined. The bond between man and dog is almost supernatural.
Always said if there are truly angels, they come as our dogs. My GSD was the most amazing companion Ive ever had.
Always said if there are truly angels, they come as our dogs. My GSD was the most amazing companion Ive ever had.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:37 pm to Azkiger
quote:
Religion is the opposite. There's more and more instances of retreating from literal to figurative.
It's okay if you don't believe in God. You don't even have to do good deeds on earth and all that other stuff if you don't want to and would have no reason to feel guilty if you didn't.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:43 pm to Azkiger
quote:
Darwin's theory of evolution had a lot of incorrect minor claims that over the last century has been disproven.
The main claim? It's more and more supported by the evidence. It's practically at the level of the theory of gravity. It's such a powerful theory it has applications outside of biology. It explains solar system/galaxy/etc rotations, human sociology, all sorts of things.
Where do you get that information?
It's my understanding that at the 2016 Royal Society Meeting, the 3 day conference entitled "New Trends in Evolutionary Biology" basically was an exercise in scientists admitting that neo-Darwinists can't make Darwinism work as a theory.
LINK
And these are not Christians or Flat Earthers or Young Earthers, these are scientists, experts in the field of neo-Darwinism.
I get that the cultural narrative around Darwinism is exactly what you posted. If you Google "Is Darwinism Proven?" AI will almost certainly tell you that it has been.
I'm talking about people in the field, like this attendee to the Royal Society Meeting in 2016 referred to above, who said, “In China we can criticize Darwin, but not the government; in America, you can criticize the government, but not Darwin.”—Chinese paleontologist Jun-Yuan Chen
It's my understanding that Darwinism is a dogma that the scientists can't make work, but they won't admit fails to explain what it was intended to explain. So everyone in the field is putting forth solutions to try to make it work and they all recognize that the solutions are bogus...except for their own. And the wagons are circled so tightly that the general public can't see what's happening in the middle of the circle, and they just keep being told, "Nothing to see here, move along, we've got this covered."
Here's how tightly the wagons are circled, btw: LINK
Posted on 12/28/25 at 5:53 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Out of his arse.
Where do you get that information?
Darwinism is founded on phenotypic observation, whereas actual evolution is genetically based.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 5:59 pm to Fat Bastard
Posted on 12/28/25 at 6:16 pm to SeeeeK
They can’t even accurately date the pyramids but can tell us how a dog evolved 25 times. Sure
Posted on 12/28/25 at 7:21 pm to Gusoline
May you not burn in hell....
Posted on 12/28/25 at 8:11 pm to Azkiger
quote:
The main claim? It's more and more supported by the evidence. It's practically at the level of the theory of gravity
Who's gonna tell him?Posted on 12/28/25 at 8:56 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:
Well, the Younger Dryas event some 12,000 yrs ago, so that may the 'genesis' of the flood story.
What is the Flood of Shuruppak along the Euphrates River in Sumerian (modern day Iraq)?
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:00 pm to SeeeeK
quote:
Are they trolling, or do they really fling shite against the wall?
Anytime someone uses the terms "billions" or "millions" when discussing the age of the world, they've completely fabricated it.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:02 pm to Azkiger
quote:
The main claim? It's more and more supported by the evidence.
Just pure nonsense. Stating this is a sure way to prove yourself a gullible person.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:12 pm to Squirrelmeister
Not sure, but there seem to have been several massive floods during and before human
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:12 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:or someone blinded by atheistic faith w/o even recognizing the thing for what it is.
Stating this is a sure way to prove yourself a gullible person.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:13 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
the asteroid impact (K-T event)
You’re gonna go to hell if you believe that crap. Baby Jesus put that there to test your faith by making it seem like the earth was millions/billions of years old.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:18 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
or someone blinded by atheistic faith w/o even recognizing the thing for what it is.
True. It's just hard to imagine critically looking at the "evidence" for evolution as the origin of all life on earth and coming to the conclusion that we have any evidence supporting it at all.
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