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Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:06 am to SDVTiger
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How can I hate something that doesnt exist
Conservatism:
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belief in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society
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In American political theory, fiscal conservatism or economic conservatism[1] is a political and economic philosophy regarding fiscal policy and fiscal responsibility with an ideological basis in capitalism, individualism, limited government, and laissez-faire economics.[2][3] Fiscal conservatives advocate tax cuts, reduced government spending, free markets, deregulation, privatization, free trade, and minimal government debt.
So, your comment is nonsensical. How can you say conservatism doens't exist when you acknowledge the existence of conservatism. You can't say a belief system or political theory "doesn't exist" and simultaneously acknowledge it's existence.
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The OnlyRon fans cry
You whine and bitch more about DeSantis so much. None of this has anything to do with DeSantis. Yet just about every one of your posts or threads cries about DeSantis. Seek help.
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This is gold from OnlyRon fans
What's gold is taking the insults i cast on you several months ago, and trying to co-opt it as your own. I'm flattered that me calling you an "OnlyTrumpFan" has bothered you so much, that you decided to use that in hopes others would be as bothered as you. Bless your heart.
But, before you go off on your bedwetting tangent, let's go back to conservatism. Rationalize how the belief system/theory that you cry about so much "doesn't exist" while simultaneously acknowledging it's existence.
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 10:08 am
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:09 am to SDVTiger
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Yet its all Trumps fault
DOGE is a conservative effort to cut government waste. Again, explain to us how conservatism doesn't exist.
I like to see the hoops you jump through to
a) bash conservatism
b) Claim it doesn't exist
c) worship Trump
d) reconcile that some of his actions such as DOGE is actual conservatism.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:14 am to SDVTiger
This is where not having a core philosophy and stated platform really hurts. There is no definition of a 'conservative' because it means different things to different people. Say what you will, but the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Part both have driving philosophies and well defined party platforms that don't change. The Democrats and Republicans blow in the breeze.
Was Reagan a conservative? By my measure, no. A true conservative doesn't spend more money than he has unless it's a dire emergency.
Was Reagan a conservative? By my measure, no. A true conservative doesn't spend more money than he has unless it's a dire emergency.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:14 am to SDVTiger
Conservatives dont really exist.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:21 am to Aubie Spr96
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he Democrats and Republicans blow in the breeze.
I'd say majority of Republicans are not conservatives. Just because you have an R by your name doesn't mean you espouse conservative values. The uniparty is not conservative at all. SDV claiming "conservatism doesn't exist" is asinine. He can state, "there are no real conservatives in congress" and actually make sense, but he's a child and doesn't want to take the time to sound intelligent.
Also, you can be conservative and also vote for non-conservative measure, but they have to be within reason. Wanting to help someone in need by giving them a handout, is not a conservative value. However, when that person's hardship is caused by the government (COVID) then most reasonable people will make an exception. The problem, is the bureaucrats in DC use the government created hardships to implement FOREVER spending, and compound that on other spending.
The Republican party is not the conservative party. However, the Republicans have tried to tie that to their identity. That's why we call them RINOs, GOPe, and the uniparty.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:31 am to BugAC
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Conservatism
Thanks for the definition of something that doesnt exist in our current political system
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You whine and bitch more about DeSantis so much
Ron is MY Gov and I love him. The only thing we bitch about is OnlyRon fans crying. Its like when the Men get together to complain about their nagging wives, GFs or mistresses
But you melt with the best of them
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Conservatives dont really exist.
i have said this for years but the old fossils still think its real to them dammit This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 10:32 am
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:32 am to GumboPot
quote:Pretty much. Congress has always had more power over the budget than the president. People seem to like that, tho. Even today, we have Trump people arguing for the status quo.
So the old dog and pony show is the same as the new dog and pony show?
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:35 am to SDVTiger
"We're going to go to Washington and fix this crap. But not right now. Right now we have to play ball and keep the money train going. But trust us! We're really going to do it this time!"
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:37 am to SDVTiger
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Conservative?
Meant something different back then.....remember, you are talking approximately 50 years.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:38 am to SDVTiger
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Thanks for the definition of something that doesnt exist in our current political system
It does exist. DOGE is an example. Thomas Massie is also a pretty decent conservative, but not 100% pure but is as close as any politician and moreso than most posters here. Again, you can say "conservatives" don't exist, but conservatism does. And killing this bill was due to conservatism by necessity.
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Ron is MY Gov and I love him. The only thing we bitch about is OnlyRon fans crying.
No, you take any criticism as Trump as an excuse to blame DeSantis supporters. Just like John Barron and his "it's supposed to be a praise DeSantis thread bro" thread that turned into a bash DeSantis thread. Who really gives a shite about DeSantis right now? This is a fight that is so old and just a bunch of bitter old women ruminating on the past. LET IT GO!!!
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i have said this for years but the old fossils still think its real to them dammit
Conservatism IS REAL. Conservatives are few and far between in DC. You do understand the difference between a belief system and people who claim they are conservatives, right?
You started these attacks against conservatism last year when the inconvenient facts of Trumps spending during term 1 was brought up. It was and still is a valid complaint about his first term. I would think we all hope his second term is much more conservative and is focused on job creation and cutting government waste (aka DOGE) rather than passing more ominbus spending bills. Don't you agree?
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:43 am to SDVTiger
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So hes wasnt a conservative
Tell us which president was more conservative than Reagan.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:43 am to SDVTiger
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So hes wasnt a conservative
It’s almost impossible to find someone in politics that is for 100% conservative or liberal policies. Politics by its nature requires compromise or nothing would ever get done unless we were a dictatorship. The best we can hope for is to push things to the right as much as we can..
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:50 am to SDVTiger
This is a smug attempt at presentism. Reagan was conservative and extremely anti-communist. His views are very documented and presented at his library in California.
You’ll see liberals attacking him over running up debt but you must look at it in the context of the times. He inherited a terrible economy, a military that was in a shambles post Viet Nam and the peak of the a Cold War. He had a lot on his plate.
Donald Trump is the only other President that I’ve seen in my lifetime that has even come close to Reagan. The democrats know this which is why they have resisted him so harshly. They know Trump could be a transformative president and they’re not having any of that.
You’ll see liberals attacking him over running up debt but you must look at it in the context of the times. He inherited a terrible economy, a military that was in a shambles post Viet Nam and the peak of the a Cold War. He had a lot on his plate.
Donald Trump is the only other President that I’ve seen in my lifetime that has even come close to Reagan. The democrats know this which is why they have resisted him so harshly. They know Trump could be a transformative president and they’re not having any of that.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:51 am to LSUwag
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Reagan was conservative
Then why did he raise the debt ceiling 18 times?
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:52 am to Zach
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Tell us which president was more conservative than Reagan.
Washington?
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:53 am to SDVTiger
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Then why did he raise the debt ceiling 18 times?
Well, there's this thing called Congress.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:53 am to BugAC
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DOGE is a conservative effort to cut government waste. Again, explain to us how conservatism doesn't exist.
So Orange is a conservative now?
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:54 am to SDVTiger
The Ronbots on this board would tear Reagan a new a-hole 
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:55 am to Gifman
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The Ronbots on this board would tear Reagan a new a-hole
They dont even realize thats what I have proven
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