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re: What's a legit end game to continue funding Ukraine?
Posted on 3/8/25 at 11:33 am to tigeraddict
Posted on 3/8/25 at 11:33 am to tigeraddict
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Only semi plausible reason would be to keep it a snale pace on advance while peace talks are ongoing. So occupied land doesn’t change much while talks are ongoing
In my opinion the only real end game is to break Russia financially. To supply Ukraine long enough, that Nato and US sanction Russia until they are broken and give up.
But here's the kicker, Russia signs a treaty and then what? We still have a border dispute...
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Posted on 3/8/25 at 11:37 am to Zach
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The same thing is happening with U.S. aid to Ukraine.
The CIA has done a better job infiltrating media, music, and culture to control for counter culture so the state can better control the narrative. As is obvious now with so called liberals being huge war mongers and the call for censorship and attacks on the people.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 11:39 am to baldona
We must also realizing we are fighting a civil war. The globalist are trying to keep this war going and the Trump supporters are trying to end it. So part of ending this war is to defeat the war mongers in Nato and deep state by cutting all aide and exposing them to the public.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 11:40 am to BornAgain
quote:That never happens. You must be pre-trib. But whether you are pre, mid or post, still not everyone will confess that Jesus is Lord. Plenty will be Left Behind. I used to think I had it figured out but I'm not sure. Pre-trib is the best option if you are a believer but others believe that we must experience the Tribulation. I just don't know anymore. I'm old - so maybe I won't have to experience either.
But I can’t see the end game either. Except the end game where Jesus comes back and EVERY knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 11:41 am to BlackPawnMartyr
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We must also realizing we are fighting a civil war. The globalist are trying to keep this war going and the Trump supporters are trying to end it. So part of ending this war is to defeat the war mongers in Nato and deep state by cutting all aide and exposing them to the public.
The war mongers in Nato can keep it up all they want, just do it without US money. I don't see why that is such a difficult concept.
Again, Trump ran on this so he is pushing an end. I would possibly argue his mistake was running on ending the war and not running on ending US involvement.
But lets just pull US involvement, let NATO and Europe handle it.
The issue is that NATO and Europe just talk, they don't want involved or they would be actively spending more of their own money already.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 11:42 am to BlackPawnMartyr
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The CIA has done a better job infiltrating media, music, and culture to control for counter culture so the state can better control the narrative. As is obvious now with so called liberals being huge war mongers and the call for censorship and attacks on the people.
True. But this has been countered in modern American society with 'short attention span.' Americans get bored faster than they did in the 60s.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 11:43 am to Zach
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True. But this has been countered in modern American society with 'short attention span.' Americans get bored faster than they did in the 60s.
Vietnam was about American men dying not about money spent. Ukraine is about american $$$, no American men are dying as of yet.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 11:58 am to baldona
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Vietnam was about American men dying not about money spent. Ukraine is about american $$$, no American men are dying as of yet.
True. But it was about American men dying in year one. And Americans supported it in year one. Since it's only money now that will not be the motive for Americans opposing our involvement. It will be attention span. IE, 'We have no problem giving money to Ukraine to win this war against evil Putin'. Ten years later it becomes: 'This is a bunch of fricking shite! To hell with Ukraine!'
Posted on 3/8/25 at 12:04 pm to Zach
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Vietnam was about American men dying not about money spent. Ukraine is about american $$$, no American men are dying as of yet.
True. But it was about American men dying in year one. And Americans supported it in year one. Since it's only money now that will not be the motive for Americans opposing our involvement. It will be attention span. IE, 'We have no problem giving money to Ukraine to win this war against evil Putin'. Ten years later it becomes: 'This is a bunch of fricking shite! To hell with Ukraine!'
Yeah but a lot of that was because we thought it would be fairly quick and it wasn't, and then mostly because that was the first war Americans saw the carnage live or at least very quickly.
Media played a major role.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 12:57 pm to Diamondawg
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That never happens. You must be pre-trib. But whether you are pre, mid or post, still not everyone will confess that Jesus is Lord. Plenty will be Left Behind. I used to think I had it figured out but I'm not sure. Pre-trib is the best option if you are a believer but others believe that we must experience the Tribulation. I just don't know anymore. I'm old - so maybe I won't have to experience either.
I actually lean post. But was under the impression every knee will bow and confess Jesus is Lord, but only those who have repented and trust in Him for forgiveness of sin go to heaven the others go to hell. But ALL confess and bow when He comes back.
Pre believe in the 1000 year reign but post believe the tribulation has already and is continuing to happen now (which I think that evidence is strong) and when Jesus comes back the believers that are still alive are called up with Him as He comes down but immediately join the others that are already dead with Him and everyone follows Him down to cast judgement on the unbelievers.
This post was edited on 3/8/25 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 3/8/25 at 12:58 pm to joshnorris14
That’s not entirely true
Posted on 3/8/25 at 2:16 pm to theballguy
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I think this happens.
I hope a peace deal happens.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 2:22 pm to BornAgain
quote:And I can't argue with any of that as I just don't know anymore. All I can do is being ready and help as many as possible to do the same. Admittedly, I'm not good enough at that.
I actually lean post. But was under the impression every knee will bow and confess Jesus is Lord, but only those who have repented and trust in Him for forgiveness of sin go to heaven the others go to hell. But ALL confess and bow when He comes back.
Pre believe in the 1000 year reign but post believe the tribulation has already and is continuing to happen now (which I think that evidence is strong) and when Jesus comes back the believers that are still alive are called up with Him as He comes down but immediately join the others that are already dead with Him and everyone follows Him down to cast judgement on theunbelievers.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 2:28 pm to baldona
Ukraine has already attacked into Russia as you put it.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 2:30 pm to joshnorris14
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Stop trusting him. The lands Russia has taken over are areas that have experienced civil conflict in Ukraine since the Maidon Revolution in 2014.
Why were we involved?
Posted on 3/8/25 at 3:29 pm to baldona
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True. But this has been countered in modern American society with 'short attention span.' Americans get bored faster than they did in the 60s.
Vietnam was about American men dying not about money spent. Ukraine is about american $$$, no American men are dying as of yet.
That's not 100pct true. A huge part of the lessons we obviously didn't learn in Vietnam was "not getting involved where we don't belong". South Vietnam was led by Diem, a dictator, crook, and fool. We kept trying to sell freedom to Vietnamese and they kept trying to tell us they didn't want whatever we were selling if Diem was involved.
This is one of many times we propped up a dirtbag dictator who was probably barely better than the commies we were fighting.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 3:32 pm to BornAgain
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trust that nearly all the land Russia has “taken over” was theirs to begin with
Whether or not that entitles Russia to that land today (and I'm not arguing either side of that issue), if you look up historical borders of Ukraine it become obvious the concept of a border there is a very fluid thing and I've yet to hear anybody justify the 1992 borders other than "thats what it was when we beat communism.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 3:35 pm to baldona
I think the initial thing that many leaders wanted was to put a strain on Russia and weaken them.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 4:05 pm to Sofaking2
The trick for trump is to make it seem we are the peacemakers in a war between Russia and Ukraine. When in fact, it was always a war between USA and russia. We started it and lost it. The only thing is we used ukraine soldiers instead of ours. Like kissenger said, to be an enemy of the usa is dangerous. To be a friend of the usa is deadly.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:16 pm to TigerB8
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Russia wanted membership into NATO, but has been lied to and ultimately denied entry. Russia has stated that they didn't want NATO to expand around them if they couldn't get membership. The US has continued to expand NATO around Russia. Russia has drawn a line in the sand and stated Ukraine is NOT to be allowed entry or there will be consequences. Russia sees that they are being surrounded and they want it stopped. This war is about a Russian friendly gov't that was overthrown by the CIA in 2014. Now the US has been using the country as a base to launder money, develop bio weapons and as a operations base to destabilize the regions on Russia's border
Shirt summary but nailed it. Golf clap
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